CPC-IT applying for Supervisor Position

[Flyheading370]

So many questions on this . Let’s say the cpc-it was from a lvl 6 now at lvl 10 . Lvl 6 70k, lvl 10 110k as cpc. The cpc-it is making 90k from the 50% on the go . Can the cpc-it apply for a supervisor job at a lvl 6 ? If she could and gets the job . Is her starting sup pay at the minimum of lvl 6 sup? Or is her pay going to be her current pay plus the negotiated raise ? 90k plus the %? If the cpc-it gets selected, I assume the cpc-it has to withdraw from training?

 

[Homsar]

Can the cpc-it apply for a supervisor job at a lvl 6 ?

Yes, as long as they met the certification time requirements before they became a CPC-IT, which usually is 52 weeks certification.

If she could and gets the job . Is her starting sup pay at the minimum of lvl 6 sup? Or is her pay going to be her current pay plus the negotiated raise ? 90k plus the %?

This would count as being unsuccessful in training at the level 10, so pay would go back to the previous pay before the transfer took place, and the raise will be based on that pay.

If the cpc-it gets selected, I assume the cpc-it has to withdraw from training?

Correct. I’ve seen in person someone who was a CPC-IT, didn’t like training at an 11, applied for a supe bid and got it, and withdrew from training to go work that instead.

 

[Ad1234]

This would count as being unsuccessful in training at the level 10, so pay would go back to the previous pay before the transfer took place, and the raise will be based on that pay.

This is not true. At a minimum they would keep their pay as long as it fell within the lower band, or at a minimum save pay while it’s above, then go to the top of the pay band after the 3-5 years. The reason for this is because they are, I am assuming still employed at the level 10 and that’s what HR is looking at when offering the position not if they are an unsuccessful trainee. if they are on the books of the previous facility than yes their pay would be reduced but if they receive and move to their new position before their salary is reduced they would keep the higher pay.

 

[Roger_Roger]

This is not true. At a minimum they would keep their pay as long as it fell within the lower band, or at a minimum save pay while it’s above, then go to the top of the pay band after the 3-5 years. The reason for this is because they are, I am assuming still employed at the level 10 and that’s what HR is looking at when offering the position not if they are an unsuccessful trainee. if they are on the books of the previous facility than yes their pay would be reduced but if they receive and move to their new position before their salary is reduced they would keep the higher pay.

Wow thats a nice loophole

 

[Mike Kilo]

So many questions on this . Let’s say the cpc-it was from a lvl 6 now at lvl 10 . Lvl 6 70k, lvl 10 110k as cpc. The cpc-it is making 90k from the 50% on the go . Can the cpc-it apply for a supervisor job at a lvl 6 ? If she could and gets the job . Is her starting sup pay at the minimum of lvl 6 sup? Or is her pay going to be her current pay plus the negotiated raise ? 90k plus the %? If the cpc-it gets selected, I assume the cpc-it has to withdraw from training?

Sarah?

 

[Flyheading370]

This is not true. At a minimum they would keep their pay as long as it fell within the lower band, or at a minimum save pay while it’s above, then go to the top of the pay band after the 3-5 years. The reason for this is because they are, I am assuming still employed at the level 10 and that’s what HR is looking at when offering the position not if they are an unsuccessful trainee. if they are on the books of the previous facility than yes their pay would be reduced but if they receive and move to their new position before their salary is reduced they would keep the higher pay.

thanks! Still employed at a level 10. I’d still fall in the level 6 supe band even with a raise from current cpc-it pay. Where can I find this information? Maybe call the HR person listed on the supe bid ?

 

[Ad1234]

thanks! Still employed at a level 10. I’d still fall in the level 6 supe band even with a raise from current cpc-it pay. Where can I find this information? Maybe call the HR person listed on the supe bid ?

Since you fall within the band you could easily negotiate a raise since it’s a promotion. I wouldn’t call HR until you get the offer or ask when they call for the offer. I don’t know where to find this info. I’ve worked at a place that the supe did just what you are describing.

 

[Stinger]

Level 10 CPC to a Level 6 Supervisor is not a promotion.
It is career enhancement.
Compare your pay without locality and see where it fits. If you're above the 6 MSS2 band, you'd save pay for 3 years, and then you'd go to the top of the band.

 

[Mike Kilo]

Level 10 CPC to a Level 6 Supervisor is not a promotion.
It is career enhancement.
Compare your pay without locality and see where it fits. If you're above the 6 MSS2 band, you'd save pay for 3 years, and then you'd go to the top of the band.

Or five years if she continues to bid career progression?

 

[Stinger]

Or five years if she continues to bid career progression?

I've never heard of that before. The EMP-1.29a doesn't mention it either.

 

[CF]

Or five years if she continues to bid career progression?

I've never heard of that before. The EMP-1.29a doesn't mention it either.

We had a sup come from a 10+ that tried to get back to his old facility as a sup and various other higher level facilities and never got picked up and they had to extend his save pay.

 

[Stinger]

We had a sup come from a 10+ that tried to get back to his old facility as a sup and various other higher level facilities and never got picked up and they had to extend his save pay.

It's not a guarantee, but management may extend pay retention up to 2 years to meet the needs of the FAA.

Comp-2.1AT
(2) Defined Period of Pay Retention.
• Employees receiving a reduction in base pay due to participation in one or more temporary career enhancing assignments under the provisions of EMP-1.29, Career Enhancement Assignment Program (CEP) will receive up to three consecutive years of pay retention.
• Employees receiving a reduction in base pay due to participation in one or more temporary or permanent career enhancing assignments under the provisions of EMP-1.29a (ATO-CE/CP), Air Traffic Organization Career Enhancement and Career Progression Assignments or EMP-1.29b (2152 Instructors), Career Enhancement Assignments for Air Traffic Control Specialist Instructors will receive pay retention for up to three consecutive years. Management may extend pay retention for up to an additional two consecutive years (i.e., five consecutive years total) to meet the needs of the Line of Business or Staff Office.

 

[Flyheading370]

Level 10 CPC to a Level 6 Supervisor is not a promotion.
It is career enhancement.
Compare your pay without locality and see where it fits. If you're above the 6 MSS2 band, you'd save pay for 3 years, and then you'd go to the top of the band.

Thanks, I kinda understand how save pay works for CPC to supervisor, but not so much for cpc-it . My cpc-it pay is within the level 6 mss2 band . My question is if selected as level 6 supe, will I at least keep my lvl 10 cpc-it pay or go down to bottom of level 6 mss2 since I’m not fully checked out at the 10 . I like AD1234’s answer, he says I’d keep my cpc-it pay plus a % raise since it will still fall in the level 6 MSS2 band.

 

[Stinger]

You'd have to verify with HR upon receiving a TOL/FOL, but I agree with that.
Your CPC-IT pay would be compared to the supervisor pay. And then any raise would be determined off that.

 

[jdatc]

Thanks, I kinda understand how save pay works for CPC to supervisor, but not so much for cpc-it . My cpc-it pay is within the level 6 mss2 band . My question is if selected as level 6 supe, will I at least keep my lvl 10 cpc-it pay or go down to bottom of level 6 mss2 since I’m not fully checked out at the 10 . I like AD1234’s answer, he says I’d keep my cpc-it pay plus a % raise since it will still fall in the level 6 MSS2 band.

how close are you to checking out at the 10? i mean I guess Covid throws a wrench in it and all, but if you were close and still training could you get checked out before being released? Or are you like just starting training so it doesn’t matter covid or no covid.

 

[Flyheading370]

Since you fall within the band you could easily negotiate a raise since it’s a promotion. I wouldn’t call HR until you get the offer or ask when they call for the offer. I don’t know where to find this info. I’ve worked at a place that the supe did just what you are describing.

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AD1234 is correct , just confirmed with HR . Have to accept the TOL while in training , do not withdraw before accepting.

 

[steakvendor]

This is not true. At a minimum they would keep their pay as long as it fell within the lower band, or at a minimum save pay while it’s above, then go to the top of the pay band after the 3-5 years. The reason for this is because they are, I am assuming still employed at the level 10 and that’s what HR is looking at when offering the position not if they are an unsuccessful trainee. if they are on the books of the previous facility than yes their pay would be reduced but if they receive and move to their new position before their salary is reduced they would keep the higher pay.

Does this also work for CPC-ITs who bid for another controller/TMU/SS position?