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bravounite33 said:

So far this year, the top 10 TRACONs in ops are SCT, N90, NCT, PCT, D10, MIA, A80, C90, D01 and I90.

F11 didn't make that? I'm pretty surprised tbh

DidYouDoYourNATPRO said:

Yeah and D10 has like... 20% of the airspace as those consolidated TRACONs? With what, like 60 controllers? Fuuuuuuck that

DFW has a 30NM Bravo. The fuck outta here

rhombus said:

DFW has a 30NM Bravo. The fuck outta here

We call this the self suck

rhombus said:

DFW has a 30NM Bravo. The fuck outta here

And it goes up to 11,000’. That must be glorious.

Yeah about 10,000 AGL that’s about par for the course for a B

DankVectorz said:

And it goes up to 11,000’. That must be glorious.

Can you imagine being able to turn departures immediately on either flow? Life changing

redko0laid said:

Yeah about 10,000 AGL that’s about par for the course for a B

Mine only goes to 7,000.

DankVectorz said:

Mine only goes to 7,000.

You should know nothing is normal in NY lol

rhombus said:

DFW has a 30NM Bravo. The fuck outta here

I don't work at D10, I work at one of those "busier" TRACONs with 6-10x the airspace. Hell we might be coworkers. Consolidated numbers are a fucking scam and you know it

DidYouDoYourNATPRO said:

I don't work at D10, I work at one of those "busier" TRACONs with 6-10x the airspace. Hell we might be coworkers. Consolidated numbers are a fucking scam and you know it

As long as everyone still has to work arrivals for the main airport theirs no scam. Either way, all the super TRACONs would still be 12s without consolidation.

Soul_Controller said:

As long as everyone still has to work arrivals for the main airport theirs no scam. Either way, all the super TRACONs would still be 12s without consolidation.

Fragile egos all up in here

DidYouDoYourNATPRO said:

Fragile egos all up in here

All the Texas people out here seriously pretending their east and west sides are equal.

Soul_Controller said:

As long as everyone still has to work arrivals for the main airport theirs no scam.

You might want to look into the consolidated tracons. They literally have departures only areas and you never work arrivals.

Spaceforce said:

You might want to look into the consolidated tracons. They literally have departures only areas and you never work arrivals.

It's impressive that there are controllers that can work the entirety of ORD, MDW, and all the satellites, while there are controllers at consolidated TRACONs that work lvl 5 traffic with fat staffing. Both with lvl12 pay.

I guess a dumb question would be why isn't their more cross training? For example at N90 why not require ISP controllers to be trained on a few LGA, EWR, or JFK positions? Seems like it would be more fair/balanced and would make staffing a bit more robust as well. Even being able to add an extra CPC on departures could free up another better CPC to work more difficult arrival positions in a pinch.

RalphBeast said:

It's impressive that there are controllers that can work the entirety of ORD, MDW, and all the satellites, while there are controllers at consolidated TRACONs that work lvl 5 traffic with fat staffing. Both with lvl12 pay.

I guess a dumb question would be why isn't their more cross training? For example at N90 why not require ISP controllers to be trained on a few LGA, EWR, or JFK positions? Seems like it would be more fair/balanced and would make staffing a bit more robust as well. Even being able to add an extra CPC on departures in a pinch could free up another better CPC to work more difficult arrival positions in a pinch.

Woah how would they scam then

Chicago center has whole areas that are departures only. I would say that's easier than an approach control doing departures only. But the worst of it is the VFR practice approaches. Imagine having so much flight training that your area's traffic count is higher than the area that runs arrivals into SFO.

RalphBeast said:

It's impressive that there are controllers that can work the entirety of ORD, MDW, and all the satellites, while there are controllers at consolidated TRACONs that work lvl 5 traffic with fat staffing. Both with lvl12 pay.

I guess a dumb question would be why isn't their more cross training? For example at N90 why not require ISP controllers to be trained on a few LGA, EWR, or JFK positions? Seems like it would be more fair/balanced and would make staffing a bit more robust as well. Even being able to add an extra CPC on departures in a pinch could free up another better CPC to work more difficult arrival positions in a pinch.

Can I get the info on what tracon's and area these are so I can hardship there?

Raise when?

TushingPin said:

F11 didn't make that? I'm pretty surprised tbh

I think they were #11 if I remember right

COWTOWN said:

Can I get the info on what tracon's and area these are so I can hardship there?

At CLT and PHL you either work all the radar positions or tower and departure