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njeezy08

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As of 4 months ago, it was a fantastic group of evaluators. Not out to screw you at all.
I've heard one evaluator in particular was brutal at least to my class. He handed out one 0, and another 10.. heard in the class above us he handed out a 15 or something low like that.. Not sure if those were legit warranted or not, but alot of people wanted to stay clear of him.
 

Dpacheco

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Keep in mind as well, a huge amount of discretion is left in the hands of the Evaluators. Most are generally fair, but there are a few hard asses that if you get them, you’re likely going to be in trouble. I had 0 A1’s and missed 0 point outs in my first eval, but the dude slapped me with a 40. Literally wrote up EVERY little mistake, and a bunch of “controller judgement” errors which can basically be anything. Luckily I did well on my next two and passed, but beware, a lot of it can come down to who you get as an Evaluator and when.
This is honestly the most nerve racking shit I keep reading on here. It seems commonplace to hear how subjective these results can be based of the evaluator. But I agree with Njeezy. I think going into it trying to put too much pressure on yourself will only hurt you. We will see when I get there.

Also, for those that have done evals already, does the same evaluator run all your problems or is it random?
 

NN9419

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This is honestly the most nerve racking shit I keep reading on here. It seems commonplace to hear how subjective these results can be based of the evaluator. But I agree with Njeezy. I think going into it trying to put too much pressure on yourself will only hurt you. We will see when I get there.

Also, for those that have done evals already, does the same evaluator run all your problems or is it random?
It’s true nerves are definitely one of the biggest killers when it comes to Evals. You’ll run with a different Evaluator for each of your three runs, so even if you get one of the bad ones, chances are you’ll have better ones for the other two. It’s just unfortunate for those that do get one of the bad ones though because they literally hold 22% of your grade in their hands. There’s one guy in particular a lot of people have had a bad experience with over the past could of months. Rhymes with Truck.
 

Dpacheco

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It’s true nerves are definitely one of the biggest killers when it comes to Evals. You’ll run with a different Evaluator for each of your three runs, so even if you get one of the bad ones, chances are you’ll have better ones for the other two. It’s just unfortunate for those that do get one of the bad ones though because they literally hold 22% of your grade in their hands. There’s one guy in particular a lot of people have had a bad experience with over the past could of months. Rhymes with Truck.
So when you see him you say "Fuck!" lmao. If get him I will run to Cami to get seen for being sick
 

NN9419

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So when you see him you say "Fuck!" lmao. If get him I will run to Cami to get seen for being sick
Lol! Yeah it’s rough those, supposedly a student a few classes before mine had this particular evaluator actually fall asleep during their run. But in the end, all we can control is ourselves, can’t control the problems we get or who’s grading them. Just gotta give it everything you’ve got every time, fight till the end, and the outcome will be what it’ll be.
 

JTL2ATC

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I've heard one evaluator in particular was brutal at least to my class. He handed out one 0, and another 10.. heard in the class above us he handed out a 15 or something low like that.. Not sure if those were legit warranted or not, but alot of people wanted to stay clear of him.
You say not to listen to anyone about numbers, then you go and toss out numbers that you heard about from other classes. Again, the advice should be to worry about handling your own business and don’t worry about how hard the evaluator is.
 

bomber996

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I've heard one evaluator in particular was brutal at least to my class. He handed out one 0, and another 10.. heard in the class above us he handed out a 15 or something low like that.. Not sure if those were legit warranted or not, but alot of people wanted to stay clear of him.
You must mean ****! I had him for my 2nd eval and got an 89 with him. One in my class got a 91 with him. He's fair, he just DOES NOT MISS A DAMN THING! Say some phraseology wrong, he'll catch it. If you know what you're doing and you're confident you'll do well with him. If you suck, your score will suck. Just that simple.
 
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JTL2ATC

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You must mean ****! I had him for my 2nd eval and got an 89 with him. One in my class got a 91 with him. He's fair, he just DOES NOT MISS A DAMN THING! Say some phraseology wrong, he'll catch it. If you know what you're doing and you're confident you'll do well with him. If you suck, your score will suck. Just that simple.
Dude, edit the name out of your comment. I do believe it is against the forum policy to use names. Even if it’s not, you really shouldn’t out instructors or evaluators in a public forum.
I had him for a non-radar eval that I didn’t do great on, but I deserved to lose every point I lost. He even felt bad about having to take points. The evaluators all WANT you to pass, and they’re not going to go hunting for points to take (unless you try to skirt the rules and piss them off). I had an evaluator that said “you currently have 100 points. Don’t give me any points. I don’t want them.”
 

BAS92

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We all heard the horror stories of the “hard” evaluators going into evals. Every point people missed boiled down to nerves, speed, or phraseology being off, myself included.

Know the basics, search for the traffic, be ready at the right speed to take care of it, and move on to the next thing. Don’t get caught up in what you can’t control.
 

njeezy08

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You say not to listen to anyone about numbers, then you go and toss out numbers that you heard about from other classes. Again, the advice should be to worry about handling your own business and don’t worry about how hard the evaluator is.
If you actually looked into my post I was referring to numbers heading INTO Radar. Reading is very key my guy, try it
 

HanZobro

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I’ll leave my story of ol B dawg. He was asleep during a guys eval in my class and they said it was normal for evaluators to close their eyes and focus. Make sense of that one. He also had count chocula and another evaluator telling him how to score things after runs. There are glaringly obvious differences between shit instructors and evaluators and the score you get. I did better overall than people much better than me, and I attribute that to not getting b dawg. Just know your stuff as best as you can and try not to freeze up.
 
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32andBelow

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I’ll leave my story of ol B dawg. He was asleep during a guys eval in my class and they said it was normal for evaluators to close their eyes and focus. Make sense of that one. He also had count chocula and another evaluator telling him how to score things after runs. There are glaringly obvious differences between shit instructors and evaluators and the score you get. I did better overall than people much better than me, and I attribute that to not getting b dawg. Just know your stuff as best as you can and try not to freeze up.
I mean it’s just faa employees trying to get a few more years on their retirements. What do you expect.
 

bomber996

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Dude, edit the name out of your comment. I do believe it is against the forum policy to use names. Even if it’s not, you really shouldn’t out instructors or evaluators in a public forum.
My bad, you're right. For now we'll go with "B dawg" as mentioned above.
 

atcrick

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I think due to the holiday, thanksgiving. the last class was 1/10/2020 the next one will be 2/6/2020. I may be wrong but a class should be done this week.
the next few: 2/6, 2/21, 2/28, 3/17, 3/24 ,4/14 ,4/30
The class that starts Enroute Training on Thursday this week is the 4/30 grad class.
 
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