February (Q2) 2025

[jdatc]

You can’t see my previous comments on my profile? I don’t use these forums often but I have no reason to hide who I am my username is my initials as well.

That’s what it links. I mean in reality, it’s still easy to figure out who you are based on other posts if people are so inclined, but being able to look at someone’s profile lends credibility at a certain level.

 

[SquawkHijack]

What kind of a gen z tard trusts an anonymous message board to educate them?

So why are you in here then? To use that cheesy .mil callsign as your patsy? 🤡

 

[TS]

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That’s what it links. I mean in reality, it’s still easy to figure out who you are based on other posts if people are so inclined, but being able to look at someone’s profile lends credibility at a certain level.

Fixed that one

 

[Move78]

You have a chip on your shoulder, I don’t know why, but perhaps posting on here talking down to people makes you feel better about something else in your life, kudos! I know trolling fills me with glee too.

I’m just calling out bullshit on the board.

However, if I really really wanted to burn it down, I would have already. I may have that capability. I chose not to try in round one.

What a hilarious ego. After all your message board grandstanding you still cucked yourself out to the establishment in the end. A fake ass wannabe revolutionary.

But, if we keep going down this path, there won’t be anything left to burn down anyway.

And guess what, you will be just as culpable as I with your attitude but at least I can admit it.

 

[jdatc]

I’m just calling out bullshit on the board.

What a hilarious ego. After all your message board grandstanding you still cucked yourself out to the establishment in the end. A fake ass wannabe revolutionary.

😂 you ok buddy? Did I touch a nerve?

 

[jorgeluis161]

 

[Dolan]

Sorry if you guys are just now realizing how much ATMs and HR fuck up. I mean, NCEPT started in 2016 but I guess some people are slow learners. You're probably also taking a while to realize that if such fuckups occur and aren't fixed prior to the panel you're completely up shit creek. No one is going to do anything to change the transfers outside of some very niche cases.

What a wonderful system you've all voted for. Nick, Mick, and Jamaal will all defend it to the death. I hope you get comfortable where you are and spend all the time between panels scheming about how you're going to get released ahead of your coworkers also trying to move.

Remember, every transfer awarded to one controller is one denied to another! Such a great system. Maybe you should apply to a supe job. Just don't forget your kneepads, brush up on those KSA's, and leave your gag reflex at the door when it's interview time.

 

[TS]

Sorry if you guys are just now realizing how much ATMs and HR fuck up. I mean, NCEPT started in 2016 but I guess some people are slow learners. You're probably also taking a while to realize that if such fuckups occur and aren't fixed prior to the panel you're completely up shit creek. No one is going to do anything to change the transfers outside of some very niche cases.

What a wonderful system you've all voted for. Nick, Mick, and Jamaal will all defend it to the death. I hope you get comfortable where you are and spend all the time between panels scheming about how you're going to get released ahead of your coworkers also trying to move.

Remember, every transfer awarded to one controller is one denied to another! Such a great system. Maybe you should apply to a supe job. Just don't forget your kneepads, brush up on those KSA's, and leave your gag reflex at the door when it's interview time.

Every “fuck up” that is brought to attention is fixed prior to the panel. We can’t fix what we don’t know. NCEPT now vs NCEPT 2016 are two different breeds of the same animal. It’s not perfect and members “scheming” doesn’t help the situation. The actual fix to it all and we have no control over is about 6000 new 2152s. Until then we will do the best we can with what we have for the members who are trying to exercise their rights under Art 42.

 

[SquawkHijack]

Every “fuck up” that is brought to attention is fixed prior to the panel. We can’t fix what we don’t know. NCEPT now vs NCEPT 2016 are two different breeds of the same animal. It’s not perfect and members “scheming” doesn’t help the situation. The actual fix to it all and we have no control over is about 6000 new 2152s. Until then we will do the best we can with what we have for the members who are trying to exercise their rights under Art 42.

This is why NCEPT needs to die and we negotiate something different when we open up the contract. Because I agree, the actual fix would be a few thousand more CPCs, but we all know that isn’t going to happen any time soon. ERR processing should be as versatile and dynamic as the workforce it serves.

I’d love to know which one you are. Probably the same useless one that I tried to email and then another ncept rep from a different region literally had to jump in and do everything for you.

I’ll give you a hint, Northwest Mountain Region.

 

[TS]

This is why NCEPT needs to die and we negotiate something different when we open up the contract. Because I agree, the actual fix would be a few thousand more CPCs, but we all know that isn’t going to happen any time soon. ERR processing should be as versatile and dynamic as the workforce it serves.

Believe me the agency wants nothing more than to stop movement. Tearing down the progress we have made because it’s not perfect is not anything the members would want. I have my own personal theories on how they would demolish movement and leave the members stuck for the entirety of their career. Members have the right to ERR but that doesn’t mean the agency has to grant it. The issue I have with public forums and discussing these types of things is we have no idea who’s using them. I’m not a fan of sharing our (NATCA) internal strategies and goals because the agency could build their own rebuttals ahead of negotiations. Doesn’t take much to turn us against one another just read through any anonymous forum out there.

 

[Dolan]

Tearing down the progress we have made because it’s not perfect is not anything the members would want.

The members want a transfer system that offers them a way out of the facilities. Like they had before NCEPT. NATCA hasn't made any progress at all - they've just created a system of winners and losers but ask both groups for dues. There's still members of management that are dumbfounded but gleeful that the union ever signed off on this.

 

[TS]

The members want a transfer system that offers them a way out of the facilities. Like they had before NCEPT. NATCA hasn't made any progress at all - they've just created a system of winners and losers but ask both groups for dues. There's still members of management that are dumbfounded but gleeful that the union ever signed off on this.

So you think that the old system was better? The current system has moved 3600+ BUEs not including those MOU facilities over the years.

What level facilities have not been allowed to move? How many facilities haven’t participated in NCEPT and can you answer why?

The members want a transfer system that offers them a way out of the facilities. Like they had before NCEPT. NATCA hasn't made any progress at all - they've just created a system of winners and losers but ask both groups for dues. There's still members of management that are dumbfounded but gleeful that the union ever signed off on this.

If any of you want explanations feel free to give me a call email or text. NCEPT is by no means perfect but the NCEPT team has made a significant impact on how things run. Many of the issues members have aren’t the fault of NCEPT as a program but a result of chronic understaffing by the agency.

 

[SquawkHijack]

Many of the issues members have aren’t the fault of NCEPT as a program but a result of chronic understaffing by the agency.

You’re not wrong, however our staffing situation in 2016 at the birth of NCEPT and now is a stark comparison.

So you think that the old system was better? What level facilities have not been allowed to move? How many facilities haven’t participated in NCEPT and can you answer why?

Im not saying the old system was better per se, but at least, for the controllers who contributed to the boards, carried a decent reputation and took the time to make themselves known at their dream facilities, there was movement.

And I would say low level up/downs are never allowed to move, not because they’re excluded from NCEPT, but because most of them are in areas that are geographically unattractive so you don’t ever get any fresh meat to help others ERR.

All while academy grads with zero experience get to choose lvl 8s because of some hot shit score at the MMAC. Those hired under prior exp bids don’t even get 8s unless you have “equivalent experience.” Mind you, they’ve already demonstrated the discipline and prowess to certify and actually work traffic before hand… that’s just straight up fucked. And of course there’s those who go through the en route academy and go straight to a center day one. Facility pay levels need to be included as career progression because as the system sits now, the cards are all dealt against those poor bastards at 5/6/7 up downs.

 

[KP-ATC]

Believe me the agency wants nothing more than to stop movement. Tearing down the progress we have made because it’s not perfect is not anything the members would want. I have my own personal theories on how they would demolish movement and leave the members stuck for the entirety of their career. Members have the right to ERR but that doesn’t mean the agency has to grant it. The issue I have with public forums and discussing these types of things is we have no idea who’s using them. I’m not a fan of sharing our (NATCA) internal strategies and goals because the agency could build their own rebuttals ahead of negotiations. Doesn’t take much to turn us against one another just read through any anonymous forum out there.

Negotiation?
We aren't negotiating much because national is more concerned about keeping A114 scams than issues that affect the workforce.

If any of you want explanations feel free to give me a call email or text. NCEPT is by no means perfect but the NCEPT team has made a significant impact on how things run. Many of the issues members have aren’t the fault of NCEPT as a program but a result of chronic understaffing by the agency.

Call, email or text?
You'll need to identify yourself and provide contact information if you are serious.

 

[Spoony90]

So you think that the old system was better? The current system has moved 3600+ BUEs not including those MOU facilities over the years.

What level facilities have not been allowed to move? How many facilities haven’t participated in NCEPT and can you answer why?

My facility hasn’t had anyone transfer since NCEPT Started. And I don’t see anyone transferring in the next 5 years, minimum.

 

[TS]

You’re not wrong, however our staffing situation in 2016 at the birth of NCEPT and now is a stark comparison.

Im not saying the old system was better per se, but at least, for the controllers who contributed to the boards, carried a decent reputation and took the time to make themselves known at their dream facilities, there was movement.

And I would say low level up/downs are never allowed to move, not because they’re excluded from NCEPT, but because most of them are in areas that are geographically unattractive so you don’t ever get any fresh meat to help others ERR.

All while academy grads with zero experience get to choose lvl 8s because of some hot shit score at the MMAC. Those hired under prior exp bids don’t even get 8s unless you have “equivalent experience.” Mind you, they’ve already demonstrated the discipline and prowess to certify and actually work traffic before hand… that’s just straight up fucked. And of course there’s those who go through the en route academy and go straight to a center day one. Facility pay levels need to be included as career progression because as the system sits now, the cards are all dealt against those poor bastards at 5/6/7 up downs.

The members don’t want to move to Mid-levels based on the ERRs on file. The team has continuously tried to find ways to help 8/9s that are geographically “unattractive”. There is 0 incentive to stop at an 8/9 when they can wait and get picked at a 10-12 because the building they’re in has a constant flow of AGs. The majority of ERRs on file are 4-7s to 10-12s. They’re rotting at the current facility waiting on that 1 spot at IAH to open up. It’s not the process that’s flawed it the mentality

Call, email or text?
You'll need to identify yourself and provide contact information if you are serious.

it’s on my profile not hard to find.

My facility hasn’t had anyone transfer since NCEPT Started. And I don’t see anyone transferring in the next 5 years, minimum.

Where are you at because that list is down to 11 facilities.

 

[Move78]

😂 you ok buddy? Did I touch a nerve?

You lost. Your army of Reddit retards and trolling supes and non members didn’t get to walk us into a firing squad. The mob will march on here against the extension but negotiating with Trump’s government and doge woulda been a disaster. That’s what we woulda got if we listened to the guy that ran for president on a message board and never been a rep for others or even knew how to file a grievance or negotiated anything in his entire career.
You’re telling on yourself though trying to put out these peoples names on the internet that have nothing to do with anything. No one’s impressed. Yeah lots of controllers know each other, congratulations.

My facility hasn’t had anyone transfer since NCEPT Started. And I don’t see anyone transferring in the next 5 years, minimum.

Is this true? There are no low level shit holes left that have never had a selection. What facility

 

[Spoony90]

Is this true? There are no low level shit holes left that have never had a selection. What facility

OKC

Where are you at because that list is down to 11 facilities.

OKC

 

[Move78]

You’re not wrong, however our staffing situation in 2016 at the birth of NCEPT and now is a stark comparison.

In October 2015, at the creation of the PPT and negotiation for National Release Policy we had 10812 CPCs.
Feb 2025 its 10788.
Is that what stark means or are you guys gonna get all liberal with the phraseology again?

Im not saying the old system was better per se, but at least, for the controllers who contributed to the boards, carried a decent reputation and took the time to make themselves known at their dream facilities, there was movement.

There’s more movement under NCEPT.

And I would say low level up/downs are never allowed to move, not because they’re excluded from NCEPT, but because most of them are in areas that are geographically unattractive so you don’t ever get any fresh meat to help others ERR.

This is untrue. See graphic. It’s prolly a year old now.

All while academy grads with zero experience get to choose lvl 8s because of some hot shit score at the MMAC. Those hired under prior exp bids don’t even get 8s unless you have “equivalent experience.” Mind you, they’ve already demonstrated the discipline and prowess to certify and actually work traffic before hand… that’s just straight up fucked. And of course there’s those who go through the en route academy and go straight to a center day one. Facility pay levels need to be included as career progression because as the system sits now, the cards are all dealt against those poor bastards at 5/6/7 up downs.

The 8/9s have had it worse than you and the Agency doesn’t have the staffing levels to prioritize them through ERR cuz there’s too many 12s in worse shape. The academy change is a long needed inbound feed to the 8s. Hopefully 9s

All that being said the NCEPT reps have been advocating for change for 6 years. A lot of the membership’s complaints on NCEPT are viable. Some are unfortunately inherent in any system. And those reps have gotten literally hundreds of possible ERRs into consideration that the agency didn’t see in the cracks. Kinda seems like they don’t even care to look?

 

[jdatc]

You lost. Your army of Reddit retards and trolling supes and non members didn’t get to walk us into a firing squad. The mob will march on here against the extension but negotiating with Trump’s government and doge woulda been a disaster. That’s what we woulda got if we listened to the guy that ran for president on a message board and never been a rep for others or even knew how to file a grievance or negotiated anything in his entire career.
You’re telling on yourself though trying to put out these peoples names on the internet that have nothing to do with anything. No one’s impressed. Yeah lots of controllers know each other, congratulations.

😂 cry harder