Is there anything I can do? Or just be miserable like the rest of us

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If all you’re going to comment is that I’m being a crybaby and to quit, then kindly go elsewhere. Looking for actual help, but I have no problem quitting if there isn’t a single thing I can do.

Otherwise, tldr: looking for advice on if there’s anything I can say to the agency because I’m finding out I’ll probably be delayed about 2 years POST the date they called all devs back for training.

I’m an enroute dev and got hired March 2021. Passed the academy early sept 2021. I chose my facility (not sure if saying which one will hurt me or not) and got here after a few days of change of station.

When I got here, I found out there were already about 40 graduates going as far back as right before the pandemic who were waiting for a d-side class. We were told that training was stopped due to COVID and was starting again. Great, I was hopeful and motivated to study.

Just last week, I was given an update from my article 17 that I should expect my d-side class to be June 2023. I thought I’d get one earlier this year, possibly around October 2022, but it turns out they’re delaying d-side classes to push a trainee into an r-side class, even though he has not completed all his d-sides. I’ll have waited about 1 year 9 months for my class by that time.

I understand COVID delays. I understand I signed up to move wherever the faa needs people. But what pisses me off is why this facility was accepting academy graduates if they’re not going to train them for nearly 2 fucking years, being paid a salary that is just barely above the poverty line here (even after accounting for locality pay). The crappy part is that we get paid just above the minimum amount to qualify for financial assistance.

Can I do anything about this besides complain? Or can I somehow make a case against the agency because they are the ones who hired us, but we have no training class in sight. They made us move and spend money to uproot our lives, but provide a wage that does not scale according to the area’s cost of living. The fact that I have to physically come in to work even though I’m not being trained; instead, I watch controllers work for 8 hours and then go home. Yeah, they’ve got me on a crew, which gives me like +$100 per pay check, but crews are the dumbest schedule ever to be invented. That quick turnaround feels WAY worse compared to that “extended weekend.”
 
Ask to transfer to ZJX. Try putting in an ERR somewhere. We're pushing graduates through d schools at a good rate now. I agree that Z's shouldn't be accepting academy grads if they're just going to sit at AG pay for over a year before even sniffing D School. AG isn't as much as it used to be with the rents we're seeing now.
 
You're 100% valid in this complaint, it's even more funny considering there's countless places that have 0-1 trainees that would start your training right away and have you full CPC in 4-10 months (depending on skill). But those places almost never get trainees since they are higher than level 7 towers. You're perpetually in a holding pattern really quite useless to the agency... but they will just continue to hold you and others there while other places have 0 devs. For an agency that manages traffic quite well, they are terrible at managing personel resources.
 
Personally, I don’t think the complaints would go anywhere. I’m not saying they’re not valid, but I’m saying they won’t be validated by management or union. Check the old Covid thread if it’s still up here. Everyone was complaining about training delays but the guys who didn’t have to experience it just said we were whining and bitching and that we should just be grateful that we have a job.
 
I would absolutely 100% do something!! It might sound like whining and bitching but that is just absurd.

All I know is that doing nothing will 100% get you nowhere so you might as well try!!!
 
I don’t know if it will work, but it’s an option. You are still in the bargaining unit, and can still put in paperwork. Will it work? Probably not, but it’s worth trying. I would try to find some nowhere place that can take people and where no one wants to go to. If you are the only one that is ranked to go there, it could work. Also the hardship process, but that’s another issue.
 
Back in the day NATCA negotiated a MOU with the FAA that if trainees at centers had their training delayed by a certain number of months for the ERAM rollout (and it was only about 3 months) they would get a cash payout, and if it was delayed a significant amount of time after that they would be moved to the D1 or D2 pay band.

But that was years ago when NATCA used to fight for stuff. Now collaboration rules and the contract was perfected and nothing can ever possibly get better then it is now. So know your place, like it, and enjoy your bread and circuses peasant.
 
My Z has AGs that hasn't gone through D school that have been here since around September 2020.
Local NATCA doesn't really want to do anything since they have their own agenda and AGs are at the bottom of that.
Regional NATCA has basically just ignored us.
Local management can't really do anything since all the training pauses were mandated at a national level.
And CPCs compare our 1-2 year delay to when they had to wait 2 whole months for their D school.
 
It actually is very pertinent to know which shithole ARTCC you are at, in order to formulate a proper plan of action to fight the systemic rot in this post apocolyptic Natca-Sanctioned Covid Fascist world. Except for the facilities that arent* post Covid and still mask up like zombies.

IF you are one of 50+ trainees why would you think posting your bass ackwards ARTCC would come back on u? You arent being a crybaby, this is a very legitimate butt-fucking theyre giving you. You're being a pussy. Let's not half-ass this shit show. head over to r/ATC for the blowbang if thats what u seek

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It actually is very pertinent to know which shithole ARTCC you are at, in order to formulate a proper plan of action to fight the systemic rot in this post apocolyptic Natca-Sanctioned pseudo Covid Fascist world. Except for the facilities that arent* post Covid and still mask up like zombies.

IF you are one of 50+ trainees why would you think posting your bass ackwards ARTCC would come back on u? You arent being a crybaby, this is a very legitimate butt-fucking theyre giving you. You're being a pussy. Let's not half-ass this shit show.

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Lol are you at zjx ???
 
Center people really are all the same. Then again, ATC is really all the same Personality types. Only benefit is if you are at a small facility, you don't get all of them.
I was actually being serious not sarcastic. If that’s what you thought. Because I’m exactly like that guy
 
If all you’re going to comment is that I’m being a crybaby and to quit, then kindly go elsewhere. Looking for actual help, but I have no problem quitting if there isn’t a single thing I can do.

Otherwise, tldr: looking for advice on if there’s anything I can say to the agency because I’m finding out I’ll probably be delayed about 2 years POST the date they called all devs back for training.

I’m an enroute dev and got hired March 2021. Passed the academy early sept 2021. I chose my facility (not sure if saying which one will hurt me or not) and got here after a few days of change of station.

When I got here, I found out there were already about 40 graduates going as far back as right before the pandemic who were waiting for a d-side class. We were told that training was stopped due to COVID and was starting again. Great, I was hopeful and motivated to study.

Just last week, I was given an update from my article 17 that I should expect my d-side class to be June 2023. I thought I’d get one earlier this year, possibly around October 2022, but it turns out they’re delaying d-side classes to push a trainee into an r-side class, even though he has not completed all his d-sides. I’ll have waited about 1 year 9 months for my class by that time.

I understand COVID delays. I understand I signed up to move wherever the faa needs people. But what pisses me off is why this facility was accepting academy graduates if they’re not going to train them for nearly 2 fucking years, being paid a salary that is just barely above the poverty line here (even after accounting for locality pay). The crappy part is that we get paid just above the minimum amount to qualify for financial assistance.

Can I do anything about this besides complain? Or can I somehow make a case against the agency because they are the ones who hired us, but we have no training class in sight. They made us move and spend money to uproot our lives, but provide a wage that does not scale according to the area’s cost of living. The fact that I have to physically come in to work even though I’m not being trained; instead, I watch controllers work for 8 hours and then go home. Yeah, they’ve got me on a crew, which gives me like +$100 per pay check, but crews are the dumbest schedule ever to be invented. That quick turnaround feels WAY worse compared to that “extended weekend.”
A high risk manuever-call some lower level towers and see if they are looking for people. Tell the manager the truth and honestly give em 2 years before you try to transfer.
You could withdraw from training, get to a tower (they can request you from nest)

The risky part is will your atm retain you and will you be sent to flight service
 
A high risk manuever-call some lower level towers and see if they are looking for people. Tell the manager the truth and honestly give em 2 years before you try to transfer.
You could withdraw from training, get to a tower (they can request you from nest)

The risky part is will your atm retain you and will you be sent to flight service
You won’t get retained in the nest with 0 center certs
 
If NATCA ever re negotiates our contract they should have a time based raised for developmentals that would kick in as a backup to the merit based raises. Stop punishing developmental for not being allowed to train. Every developmental should be given the chance to train and/or washout.
 
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