NCEPT going away?

Soham

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😂 Close all 4’s and 5’s because crybaby level 8’s and 9’s making 6 figures can’t transfer to DEN, PHX, and CLT immediately
You got picked up at the place you wanted, an 8, because you went to an easy level 5 tower only (0.7 years to cert average). Then try to make fun of those that have no chance to transfer? Kind of fucked up.
 
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This is true, one of the logics pitched by NCEPT is that’s it will create a progression system like minor league baseball where you go from A to AA to AAA with level 5’s to 8 or 9 to 11 to 12. But since all the openings and high priorities are 11 and 12’s you have all the 5’s and 6’s going right to 11 and 12 since the middle of the order can’t release people, Ana are rarely ranked high enough to get a lot of new people. And yes, a level 5 CPC at a up/down or tower has almost no transferable skills to a high level terminal or center, it don’t mean they can’t do it but they are essentially a OTS hire (or worse if they developed a lot of bad habits).
Ohh yeah, I am an OTS hire essentially because I’ve been at low level facility that has never released anyone under the program and has low check out rate. Yet dipshits that go to 7s or 8s out of academy, wash, go to a 4 VFR tower only with center washouts making big bucks, certify and go right to 12. But yeah, let’s lump the level 5 up downs in as the people that that are clogging the system. If I recall most of facilities that haven’t ever released are 5-7 up downs... vfr low level towers are not the same as up/downs...sick of hearing this shit so much.
 

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Ohh yeah, I am an OTS hire essentially because I’ve been at low level facility that has never released anyone under the program and has low check out rate. Yet dipshits that go to 7s or 8s out of academy, wash, go to a 4 VFR tower only with center washouts making big bucks, certify and go right to 12. But yeah, let’s lump the level 5 up downs in as the people that that are clogging the system. If I recall most of facilities that haven’t ever released are 5-7 up downs... vfr low level towers are not the same as up/downs...sick of hearing this shit so much.
Damn son. You mad?
 

FightingIrish2012

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Ohh yeah, I am an OTS hire essentially because I’ve been at low level facility that has never released anyone under the program and has low check out rate. Yet dipshits that go to 7s or 8s out of academy, wash, go to a 4 VFR tower only with center washouts making big bucks, certify and go right to 12. But yeah, let’s lump the level 5 up downs in as the people that that are clogging the system. If I recall most of facilities that haven’t ever released are 5-7 up downs... vfr low level towers are not the same as up/downs...sick of hearing this shit so much.
 

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JNev

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You got picked up at the place you wanted, an 8, because you went to an easy level 5 tower only (0.7 years to cert average). Then try to make fun of those that have no chance to transfer? Kind of fucked up.
Where did I make fun of people who have “no chance” to transfer? Everyone is different, but those who have like 1 or 2 places they’re willing to go have to realize the reality and decide if they can be happy somewhere else than their “dream” facility or if the status quo can suffice. No one is owed their home facility. No one ever told us that or gave us any reason to believe that.
 

Soham

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Where did I make fun of people who have “no chance” to transfer? Everyone is different, but those who have like 1 or 2 places they’re willing to go have to realize the reality and decide if they can be happy somewhere else than their “dream” facility or if the status quo can suffice. No one is owed their home facility. No one ever told us that or gave us any reason to believe that.
I literally quoted where you did.
 

corn4ahead

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This thread is a microcosm of what the FAA/NATCA wants. They are trying to distract us and cause quarreling among us so they can slide things right on past us.

*cough* Privatization *cough*

Sneaky sneaky.
 

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Level 4’s & 5’s represent 86 of 313 (28%) of all FAA facilities, but yes let’s close them all!
 

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Until the FAA hires more people, it is highly likely you’ll see less movements, across the NAS except to/from certain facilities, in the next year or two, unless someone gets a deviation approved. There’s still another 1-3 years of retirements to come. Plus, a few people who want certain areas of the country and are putting in paperwork for the DOD.
Example: A80
We have 82 CPCs (1 part time and 1 National detail). Our facility wants 3 more TMUs, 3 supervisors, at least 2 support specialists, and 10-11 CPCs are eligible to retire. Assuming all of those placements are internal, we are back down to 64 CPCs. We will get some trainees to certify (average says 12 out of 29) so that’s 76 CPCs in 2022. Then, you add in the 3 CPCs that have gotten deviations approved, for external supervisor positions, that aren’t in the worksheet numbers. Those will probably be covered by soon to transfer in CPC-ITs. So you’re looking at still not being able to release a controller SEVEN YEARS into the implementation of NCEPT. I said it to Paul Rinaldi, after the very first panel in 2015, and I’ll say it again, “...NCEPT is a colossal fucking failure...”
 

spider

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Level 4’s & 5’s represent 86 of 313 (28%) of all FAA facilities, but yes let’s close them all!
It isn’t to transfer closer to home. It’s as Robert just said above...staffing. A80 along with plenty of other facilities don’t have enough people. Meanwhile, we’re staffing Level 4’s and 5’s to 100%. Hey, the 3 CRJ’s going to MRY can expect zero delay so that’s good news.
 

Ad1234

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Until the FAA hires more people, it is highly likely you’ll see less movements, across the NAS except to/from certain facilities, in the next year or two, unless someone gets a deviation approved. There’s still another 1-3 years of retirements to come. Plus, a few people who want certain areas of the country and are putting in paperwork for the DOD.
Example: A80
We have 82 CPCs (1 part time and 1 National detail). Our facility wants 3 more TMUs, 3 supervisors, at least 2 support specialists, and 10-11 CPCs are eligible to retire. Assuming all of those placements are internal, we are back down to 64 CPCs. We will get some trainees to certify (average says 12 out of 29) so that’s 76 CPCs in 2022. Then, you add in the 3 CPCs that have gotten deviations approved, for external supervisor positions, that aren’t in the worksheet numbers. Those will probably be covered by soon to transfer in CPC-ITs. So you’re looking at still not being able to release a controller SEVEN YEARS into the implementation of NCEPT. I said it to Paul Rinaldi, after the very first panel in 2015, and I’ll say it again, “...NCEPT is a colossal fucking failure...”

maybe if your training culture got better and certified more of the 26 trainees (plus 4 inbounds) as of the 9/25 PPT (and you are receiving an additional 6 this past round), and you all raised your 43.7 percent training success rate (which is data as of the end of 2015 or 2016) then youd be able to let some people go. The ncept isn't your biggest problem, your training department is. the FAA has hit all their hiring goals for the last few years. hiring more people because you all cant train isn't how this works.
 

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maybe if your training culture got better and certified more of the 26 trainees (plus 4 inbounds) as of the 9/25 PPT (and you are receiving an additional 6 this past round), and you all raised your 43.7 percent training success rate (which is data as of the end of 2015 or 2016) then youd be able to let some people go. The ncept isn't your biggest problem, your training department is. the FAA has hit all their hiring goals for the last few years. hiring more people because you all cant train isn't how this works.
Maybe some facilities are hard
 
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