February (Q2) 2022

[32andBelow]

Yes you can and should be critical and yes it’s the only way to effect change. Involved and objectively critical. The “collaboration garbage” is light years better than the alternative but we’ve been spoiled for over a decade now so most of the workforce doesn’t know how terrible this Agency can be when left to their own devices.
This board is mostly complaints about not getting an ERR. A real problem. Blaming the union for that is naive. And most of those complaints would still exist under any other transfer process. There’s many more requests than available spots and many people requesting those spots. So many would go unselected regardless but all they see is the “me” side and think they’re getting screwed.
Others complain about being trapped red and that’s a real problem but it’s a hard problem to solve because the union works for all its members and there are other controllers in your building, that are less represented in the internet mob, that can’t afford to lose more staffing. The balance is very difficult but it’s not just about 1 person getting their way.

NATCA should be pushing to fix the placement process to fix this long term. As long as the placement process is broken transfers are going to get worse and worse

 

[ZO]

NATCA should be pushing to fix the placement process to fix this long term. As long as the placement process is broken transfers are going to get worse and worse

They are as we speak. By law the Agency is in charge of hiring and transferring. The fact that NATCA has any input, says a lot. Through this "collaboration" that everyone seems to hate, is the only way that NATCA can have a say in any type of transfer or hiring.

 

[32andBelow]

They are as we speak. By law the Agency is in charge of hiring and transferring. The fact that NATCA has any input, says a lot. Through this "collaboration" that everyone seems to hate, is the only way that NATCA can have a say in any type of transfer or hiring.

If this is true why don’t they tell us. Why don’t they ever tell us what they are working on lol

 

[Electricfence]

If this is true why don’t they tell us. Why don’t they ever tell us what they are working on lol

Because for every reasonable person there is an unreasonable person. Would you want to deal with that? Have you ever heard an evoked position to see what bullshit you have to deal with?

Also, letting the union know sometimes causes them to lose their competitive advantage with the agency. It’s a fine line that I’m sure is a damned if you do damned if you don’t decision.

 

[32andBelow]

Because for every reasonable person there is an unreasonable person. Would you want to deal with that? Have you ever heard an evoked position to see what bullshit you have to deal with?

Also, letting the union know sometimes causes them to lose their competitive advantage with the agency. It’s a fine line that I’m sure is a damned if you do damned if you don’t decision.

Bruh they didn’t even tell us their move on the contract before it was already done

 

[Electricfence]

Bruh they didn’t even tell us their move on the contract before it was already done

Bruh maybe they heard some scary shit after we got paid to do nothing for months and said, that’s a good deal

Edit: even typing bruh I sounded like a douche.

 

[32andBelow]

Bruh maybe they heard some scary shit after we got paid to do nothing for months and said, that’s a good deal

Edit: even typing bruh I sounded like a douche.

Lol they act like anyone wanted to do that and a lot of us worked on what we were certified on the whole time

 

[Electricfence]

Lol they act like anyone wanted to do that and a lot of us worked on what we were certified on the whole time

I understand you had to wait to certify, but nearly 10k people worked 5 days out of every ten but were paid as if they worked a normal schedule.

If you think asking for more out of our contract after that would go well. You are incredibly unreasonable.

 

[32andBelow]

I understand you had to wait to certify, but nearly 10k people worked 5 days out of every ten but were paid as if they worked a normal schedule.

If you think asking for more out of our contract after that would go well. You are incredibly unreasonable.

Wether that’s true or not. I don’t think it’s true. My point is they didn’t even tell anyone what they were working on so no one had any chance to send feedback through their rep

 

[Electricfence]

Wether that’s true or not. I don’t think it’s true. My point is they didn’t even tell anyone what they were working on so no one had any chance to send feedback through their rep

Have you ever been a rep?

 

[Move78]

NATCA should be pushing to fix the placement process to fix this long term. As long as the placement process is broken transfers are going to get worse and worse

Of course they are but the hiring processes are outside the union’s jurisdiction. The Agency’s current process injects hundreds of new hires into the system where they don’t want to be. Creates a miserable workforce. A private enterprise would never do such a thing. But if you’re the Agency your answer is ‘you agreed to work at that duty station and you can either work there or join management. Win/win for us. Have a nice day.’ And I only made up the last part.

 

[Electricfence]

Of course they are but the hiring processes are outside the union’s jurisdiction. The Agency’s current process injects hundreds of new hires into the system where they don’t want to be. Creates a miserable workforce. A private enterprise would never do such a thing. But if you’re the Agency your answer is ‘you agreed to work at that duty station and you can either work there or join management. Win/win for us. Have a nice day.’ And I only made up the last part.

At some point they would have to choose between closing facilities or forcing people there because no one wants to go to many facilities.

So then they would be in the same position as they are now

 

[32andBelow]

At some point they would have to choose between closing facilities or forcing people there because no one wants to go to many facilities.

So then they would be in the same position as they are now

Ya you’d have to force some people. But not everyone in the NAS basically. I bet you could get over half the en route grads close or where they want to go with effort. I know of someone who was denied Oakland when the next class got 3 mando Oakland

 

[CaptainObvious]

At some point they would have to choose between closing facilities or forcing people there because no one wants to go to many facilities.

So then they would be in the same position as they are now

Not if there was a better chance to leave those places. Not if they did local bids for places no one wanted to be. I think and OTS hire that’s from Roswell and wants to stay there and make good money would be a better hire than the kid from SoCal or NYC

 

[ZO]

Ya you’d have to force some people. But not everyone in the NAS basically. I bet you could get over half the en route grads close or where they want to go with effort. I know of someone who was denied Oakland when the next class got 3 mando Oakland

What is your solution then?

 

[32andBelow]

What is your solution then?

Well at a start they can go back to the system where you apply for states. Wasn’t that change just an HR change for no reason? I think they can leave an all US option.

 

[ZO]

Well at a start they can go back to the system where you apply for states. Wasn’t that change just an HR change for no reason? I think they can leave an all US option.

Okay, you apply for Texas and you get Midland. Now you have paperwork in for DAL the second you get checked out. This doesn't solve the underlying problem of people wanting specific desirable facilities. The statistics showed (which is why they moved away from this system) that people will still apply to certain facilities even if they are close to their home.

 

[32andBelow]

Okay, you apply for Texas and you get Midland. Now you have paperwork in for DAL the second you get checked out. This doesn't solve the underlying problem of people wanting specific desirable facilities. The statistics showed (which is why they moved away from this system) that people will still apply to certain facilities even if they are close to their home.

Minimizing the amount of people that want to transfer definitely helps. And why does forcing almost everyone to live where they don’t want to help?

 

[ZO]

Minimizing the amount of people that want to transfer definitely helps. And why does forcing almost everyone to live where they don’t want to help?

It didn't minimize transfer requests enough to make the argument to the agency that it is a better solution than the agency sending people to the lowest staffed facilities.

Edit: because again, people want to go to very specific facilities as opposed to states/regions

 

[32andBelow]

It didn't minimize transfer requests enough to make the argument to the agency that it is a better solution than the agency sending people to the lowest staffed facilities.

Edit: because again, people want to go to very specific facilities as opposed to states/regions

They don’t send people to the lowest staffed facilities. Maybe they do for terminal. But for enough they send people everywhere. And there’s no reason the trainees can’t be swapped around before they even start training