May (Q3) 2022

[DA]

Can someone please explain the point of the "possible gains" and "possible loss" category of the PPT if in fact releasing/gaining is based on the "Rounds" as described in reply 60.

In other words, a facility I'm interested in shows 2 "possible gains to target". However they do not meet the bullet point #1 under round 1.

Also, how do you really know where to ERR to if they don't publish numbers/figures AFTER the closing of the ERR submission date. So the last day to submit your paperwork is 4-18. BUT, the numbers they are going to calculate with aren't determined for roughly 10 days later. I mean this process is screwed up as it is but this is just crap. NATCA agreed to this? Maybe we need a Union to save us from the Union. I feel sorry for all those Starbuck and Amazon folk signing up for Unions.

Thanks

If you have in for all the places you want to or are willing to go before the panel then it doesn’t really matter when the ranking list comes out. You’re looking at it from the perspective of your personal benefit. If the union signed off on a program that helps Jimmy get home at the expense of the staffing of all other facilities they wouldn’t be supporting the workforce as a whole they would be supporting one individual getting “home”. It’s easy to forget that most of the workforce is pretty happy when a handful of threads on this site (the fun ones to read) only represent the vocal minority.

 

[wand_waver]

If you have in for all the places you want to or are willing to go before the panel then it doesn’t really matter when the ranking list comes out. You’re looking at it from the perspective of your personal benefit. If the union signed off on a program that helps Jimmy get home at the expense of the staffing of all other facilities they wouldn’t be supporting the workforce as a whole they would be supporting one individual getting “home”. It’s easy to forget that most of the workforce is pretty happy when a handful of threads on this site (the fun ones to read) only represent the vocal minority.

I disagree. Maybe on certain topics but not at NCEPT. I think the majority of union workers do not like NCEPT and would rather see something else. But yes, it’s unfair to get jimbo home at the expense of the entire facility. However, I think while we have the vocal minority, we have the quiet majority not chiming in about the way NCEPT works.

 

[BDUB]

If you have in for all the places you want to or are willing to go before the panel then it doesn’t really matter when the ranking list comes out. You’re looking at it from the perspective of your personal benefit. If the union signed off on a program that helps Jimmy get home at the expense of the staffing of all other facilities they wouldn’t be supporting the workforce as a whole they would be supporting one individual getting “home”. It’s easy to forget that most of the workforce is pretty happy when a handful of threads on this site (the fun ones to read) only represent the vocal minority.

You must be in a desirable location with that mindset because if you were at a lvl 6 and below in the middle of nowhere I guarantee you wouldn’t call the entire facility a minority….

 

[DA]

You must be in a desirable location with that mindset because if you were at a lvl 6 and below in the middle of nowhere I guarantee you wouldn’t call the entire facility a minority….

Im at a 5 in the facility with the most outbound hardships for its facility level. I’m in arguably the biggest shit hole in the NAS but I kept my head up, kept training the infinite wave of replacements, and learned to work the shaft. I got picked up in one of the last 3 panels so call it what you want but complaining here doesn’t solve your problems.

 

[Move78]

I disagree. Maybe on certain topics but not at NCEPT. I think the majority of union workers do not like NCEPT and would rather see something else. But yes, it’s unfair to get jimbo home at the expense of the entire facility. However, I think while we have the vocal minority, we have the quiet majority not chiming in about the way NCEPT works.

Oh there’s plenty of chiming

 

[BDUB]

Im at a 5 in the facility with the most outbound hardships for its facility level. I’m in arguably the biggest shit hole in the NAS but I kept my head up, kept training the infinite wave of replacements, and learned to work the shaft. I got picked up in one of the last 3 panels so call it what you want but complaining here doesn’t solve your problems.

Glad you got out how long did it take you? Does everyone else in your facility also want to leave because that would be a majority. Just because things worked out for you doesn’t mean the system is legit ??‍♂️? if we can’t complain here in the pointsixtyfive safe place where else can we go lol

 

[DA]

Glad you got out how long did it take you? Does everyone else in your facility also want to leave because that would be a majority. Just because things worked out for you doesn’t mean the system is legit ??‍♂️? if we can’t complain here in the pointsixtyfive safe place where else can we go lol

Yeah everyone wants to leave. It took me 5 years door to door. Could have been sooner but we had 5 hardships and 2 resignations. Against all odds we released 3 in the last 2 panels and 1 to an OS bid. It feels like the big problem from my facility perspective is that the faa fills undesirable facilities very reactively. We haven’t seen a trainee in the door in over 2 years and we have 3 checking in on the same day in a week.

 

[Dolan]

Also, how do you really know where to ERR to if they don't publish numbers/figures AFTER the closing of the ERR submission date. So the last day to submit your paperwork is 4-18. BUT, the numbers they are going to calculate with aren't determined for roughly 10 days later.

That's exactly as intended. It's so people can't just ERR to facilities 1-10 and have guaranteed priority out of where they are

 

[TermLimits]

When half your packets won't be considered because you faxed them in one large, multi-page, transmission as opposed to individually... Kinda the most FAA outcome to occur

 

[wand_waver]

When half your packets won't be considered because you faxed them in one large, multi-page, transmission as opposed to individually... Kinda the most FAA outcome to occur

That’s how they get you ?

 

[MKK]

When half your packets won't be considered because you faxed them in one large, multi-page, transmission as opposed to individually... Kinda the most FAA outcome to occur

This happened to me but they asked to refax. I guess every region is different. Also if your performance review for fy 22 isn’t signed do you submit the fy21 ? I submitted 22 and wasn’t told anything but wonder if I should have submitted 21 ?

 

[wand_waver]

This happened to me but they asked to refax. I guess every region is different. Also if your performance review for fy 22 isn’t signed do you submit the fy21 ? I submitted 22 and wasn’t told anything but wonder if I should have submitted 21 ?

I don’t think it matters. Should theoretically be 22 but I don’t think most managers did their performance appraisal yet because it’s not due. So 21 with manager’s comments should suffice

 

[Mike Kilo]

This happened to me but they asked to refax. I guess every region is different. Also if your performance review for fy 22 isn’t signed do you submit the fy21 ? I submitted 22 and wasn’t told anything but wonder if I should have submitted 21 ?

I sent a signed 2021 in and it was accepted no problem.

 

[TermLimits]

This happened to me but they asked to refax. I guess every region is different. Also if your performance review for fy 22 isn’t signed do you submit the fy21 ? I submitted 22 and wasn’t told anything but wonder if I should have submitted 21 ?

The process of taking one stack of paper off the fax machine, flipping through it, and realizing it is 3 ERRs for the same person is literally the same effort it requires to take 3 faxes worth of individual ERRs off the machine.

I use a fax service so I processed my own little fax-pocalypse for them. Just to ensure my individual packets were received as requested ?

 

[MKK]

The process of taking one stack of paper off the fax machine, flipping through it, and realizing it is 3 ERRs for the same person is literally the same effort it requires to take 3 faxes worth of individual ERRs off the machine.

I use a fax service so I processed my own little fax-pocalypse for them. Just to ensure my individual packets were received as requested ?

I faxed them seven whole err packages. 7 times my same 3 page resume and 3 page performance review since it’s what they wanted. I’m sure they loved picking up 80 pages off the fax machine ?

 

[Cmsgthokage]

I faxed them seven whole err packages. 7 times my same 3 page resume and 3 page performance review since it’s what they wanted. I’m sure they loved picking up 80 pages off the fax machine ?

Damn, I called and asked if I could just send the resume and performance review once and the cover letters and dash 42/43s individually and she was cool with it. Saved me some money.

 

[MKK]

Damn, I called and asked if I could just send the resume and performance review once and the cover letters and dash 42/43s individually and she was cool with it. Saved me some money.

Yep someone else said that they did this too and it was fine so that’s what I did. I guess they just don’t want to take my résumé and copy it a few times on their fancy printers.
I just use an app to scan and fax and used all the printer paper and ink at work. Not a dime spent, just my precious time.

 

[Cmsgthokage]

Yep someone else said that they did this too and it was fine so that’s what I did. I guess they just don’t want to take my résumé and copy it a few times on their fancy printers.
I just use an app to scan and fax and used all the printer paper and ink at work. Not a dime spent, just my precious time.

I only had time to do it over a mid and didn’t trust myself to do it half asleep. Just went to a UPS store and had some pros handle it and made sure the fax receipt page count had the right amount. Called HR a bit after and they got ‘‘em all.

 

[OhG]

Im at a 5 in the facility with the most outbound hardships for its facility level. I’m in arguably the biggest shit hole in the NAS but I kept my head up, kept training the infinite wave of replacements, and learned to work the shaft. I got picked up in one of the last 3 panels so call it what you want but complaining here doesn’t solve your problems.

I need to learn how to work the shaft. I've never had to network before in my life so I don't know the difference between that and bothering tf outta the ATM/fac rep.

 

[getmetfouttahere]

Why are you guys faxing this shit instead of using email?