NEB meeting in Hawaii

[Seeyoufly]

um, why are there so many in person meetings in a year??? they should reduce it to like a once a year thing/conference and have follow-up meetings over zoom. or make the reps pay for their own expenses and see if they still wanna go 🤣

This isn’t a rep meeting. It’s the national executive board…12 people….you want them to only meet once in person a year?

 

[32andBelow]

This isn’t a rep meeting. It’s the national executive board…12 people….you want them to only meet once in person a year?

No they want them to meet on zoom like every other company

 

[FightingIrish2012]

After spending virtually nothing on travel in 2020 and 2021 they “saved the membership and organization millions” of dollars in research, legal fees, etc…. negotiating a new contract and just extending the old one.

Now they have to spend money on something, look at all the international conferences we still send Trish on to Trinidad and Tobago or wherever the fuck it was and the places Santa and LoBodvide go to monthly.

Maybe if they saved too much money it would look weird and flag NATCA for an IRS audit or something.

 

[bravounite33]

No they want them to meet on zoom like every other company

Get the constitution changed then. The NEB can conduct business via teleconference but that does not fulfill the requirements of regularly scheduled meetings in the constitution.

 

[GulfBravoPapa]

Now they have to spend money on something, look at all the international conferences we still send Trish on to Trinidad and Tobago or wherever the fuck it was and the places Santa and LoBodvide go to monthly.

Trish's travel is all paid for by IFATCA not NATCA but don't let facts get in the way of your rant.

 

[AB19]

Trish's travel is all paid for by IFATCA not NATCA but don't let facts get in the way of your rant.

IFATCA your mom

 

[AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise]

None of those places you mentioned have beaches, that's why they couldn't do it there.

Clearly, you never went to Lake Hefner in OKC

 

[CoffeeIV]

Trish's travel is all paid for by IFATCA not NATCA but don't let facts get in the way of your rant.

NATCA donated $10,000 to IFATCA this year. So in a roundabout way it was all paid for by NATCA.

 

[32andBelow]

Get the constitution changed then. The NEB can conduct business via teleconference but that does not fulfill the requirements of regularly scheduled meetings in the constitution.

How does it not?

 

[Seeyoufly]

NATCA donated $10,000 to IFATCA this year. So in a roundabout way it was all paid for by NATCA.

Do you consider that to be a significant sum of money for this organization?

I’m really having trouble figuring what people here think this union should be doing, or spending money on. According to the majority here we shouldn’t hold a training conference to have knowledgeable reps, our NEB shouldn’t meet in person and be available for members to speak with, they shouldn’t meet with industry leaders and establish relationships with the companies that want to shape this profession to make their company’s money. Im really not sure what you want them to do besides no renew one of the multiple contracts this union negotiates.

I feel like the majority of people here are so short sighted, they forget that over the years this union has demonstrated success upon success. Sure there were struggles along the way, as would be expected. This union has a stress tested roadmap to future success, but instead of following it we’d rather save money for god knows what, and isolate.

 

[32andBelow]

Do you consider that to be a significant sum of money for this organization?

I’m really having trouble figuring what people here think this union should be doing, or spending money on. According to the majority here we shouldn’t hold a training conference to have knowledgeable reps, our NEB shouldn’t meet in person and be available for members to speak with, they shouldn’t meet with industry leaders and establish relationships with the companies that want to shape this profession to make their company’s money. Im really not sure what you want them to do besides no renew one of the multiple contracts this union negotiates.

I feel like the majority of people here are so short sighted, they forget that over the years this union has demonstrated success upon success. Sure there were struggles along the way, as would be expected. This union has a stress tested roadmap to future success, but instead of following it we’d rather save money for god knows what, and isolate.

We think they should be negotiating our contract everytime it’s due for negotiation. That it. That’s the job.

 

[Seeyoufly]

We think they should be negotiating our contract everytime it’s due for negotiation. That it. That’s the job.

Typically NEB members don’t sit on contract teams, or at the very least don’t make up more than one or two members of the team…..so what would you like them to do? Or should we just elect contract team members and put the organization on autopilot in between conventions, which ironically people here don’t think we should have either…..

 

[32andBelow]

Typically NEB members don’t sit on contract teams, or at the very least don’t make up more than one or two members of the team…..so what would you like them to do? Or should we just elect contract team members and put the organization on autopilot in between conventions, which ironically people here don’t think we should have either…..

Then they can work airplanes

 

[boots]

Listen I think we should be starting gofundmes for our out the door leadership that did jack shit.

 

[Seeyoufly]

Then they can work airplanes

This is the problem…..you fundamentally don’t understand what a labor union is or what the role of our national executive board is. We don’t elect these people to work airplanes with a title. We elect them to run the $30 million dollar a year organization that we are shareholders of…. The president of Natca is literally the CEO of Natca, it’s spelled out in the constitution….if you want an organization that only operates to negotiate contracts, and wouldn’t even be able to do that effectively without respect from the industry, change the constitution and the makeup of this organization.

 

[32andBelow]

This is the problem…..you fundamentally don’t understand what a labor union is or what the role of our national executive board is. We don’t elect these people to work airplanes with a title. We elect them to run the $30 million dollar a year organization that we are shareholders of…. The president of Natca is literally the CEO of Natca, it’s spelled out in the constitution….if you want an organization that only operates to negotiate contracts, and wouldn’t even be able to do that effectively without respect from the industry, change the constitution and the makeup of this organization.

Negotiating contracts is the number 1 job if any union. The entire point of a union is so the employees can collectively bargain their pay and benefits. So I don’t think they should do much else until they actually do their number 1 task.

And just telling everyone to cha get the constitution isn’t an actually rebuttal. More people will just keep quitting the union as they no longer see a benefit. They’ll give themselves a raise if one won’t be negotiated for them.

 

[Seeyoufly]

Negotiating contracts is the number 1 job if any union. The entire point of a union is so the employees can collectively bargain their pay and benefits. So I don’t think they should do much else until they actually do their number 1 task.

And just telling everyone to cha get the constitution isn’t an actually rebuttal. More people will just keep quitting the union as they no longer see a benefit. They’ll give themselves a raise if one won’t be negotiated for them.

The reason you keep getting pointed to the constitution is because you are wrong about what the “job” of this organization is….the organization, controlled by its members has determined what the job of this organization is. Luckily it is governed by this document, instead of a message board. The body of this union has determined, in an order of priority, what this organizations job should be. If you think it’s wrong you should be trying to amend the constitution and make section one say “ negotiate contracts” and make section two say “work traffic when not negotiating contracts”.

 

[Move78]

We think they should be negotiating our contract everytime it’s due for negotiation. That it. That’s the job.

There’s way more to the job than that but sure, many disagree with the decision to extend. As a side note it also would’ve cost a fuck ton to negotiate a new contract. I was a big supporter of the reup at the time but I’m a bit more luke warm to it in hindsight. But I also believe it was destined to be bad timing regardless because the new contract would’ve been negotiated during a period of time where the FAA was flat broke and before the period of time in which the industry recovered to such a point where their labor went blast off rocket ship.

 

[32andBelow]

There’s way more to the job than that but sure, many disagree with the decision to extend. As a side note it also would’ve cost a fuck ton to negotiate a new contract. I was a big supporter of the reup at the time but I’m a bit more luke warm to it in hindsight. But I also believe it was destined to be bad timing regardless because the new contract would’ve been negotiated during a period of time where the FAA was flat broke and before the period of time in which the industry recovered to such a point where their labor went blast off rocket ship.

We pay dues so they can negotiate. How does it cost money to negotiate??

 

[Seeyoufly]

Negotiating contracts is the number 1 job if any union. The entire point of a union is so the employees can collectively bargain their pay and benefits. So I don’t think they should do much else until they actually do their number 1 task.

You don’t have a collectively bargained contract?