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3rd Quarter 2017
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This is the final update before the panel.
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About 2 weeks before the panel
corn4ahead
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So does anyone know if they are actually going to use "the number in column Y" to determine how many people can be released?
It seems awfully suspicious that the title and formula for column Y changed the next month after the new guidance came out. From what I got though, the formula is roughly the same, it just shows 0 in column Y if it is a negative number.
The reason this matters is because according to the guidance from the email about the change, they said that you take your negative number in column Y and round to the next whole number. They even have specific examples.
When the PPT tool got released yesterday, the number my facility can release according to column "AP" is 1 instead of 2. The negative number according to column Y when plugged in on an older PPT should be -1.4 which would make 2 people eligible.
My fac rep emailed one of the FAA POCs and they said the number in column "AP" is the amount that can be released which goes against the guidance we all got after second Qtr 2017 NCEPT.
Anyone else having similar issues?
It seems awfully suspicious that the title and formula for column Y changed the next month after the new guidance came out. From what I got though, the formula is roughly the same, it just shows 0 in column Y if it is a negative number.
The reason this matters is because according to the guidance from the email about the change, they said that you take your negative number in column Y and round to the next whole number. They even have specific examples.
When the PPT tool got released yesterday, the number my facility can release according to column "AP" is 1 instead of 2. The negative number according to column Y when plugged in on an older PPT should be -1.4 which would make 2 people eligible.
My fac rep emailed one of the FAA POCs and they said the number in column "AP" is the amount that can be released which goes against the guidance we all got after second Qtr 2017 NCEPT.
Anyone else having similar issues?
breakaway2000
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Plugging in the old equation, your scenario effects 62 of the 125 eligible facilities. Educated guess, but I bet they realized it weighted almost exclusively on projected national average so facilities that were just above the CPC national average and had a healthy amount of trainees, could release like nobodies business.
EX. ZAN - 84.7% CPC and 102.5% projected. This panel they can release 3. If they went by the old Y value, they could release 21. Although in practice the CPC% does not change until the controller physically leaves the facilities, it appears their new way of calculating it puts in a stop gap of sorts to prevent the large drain of CPC's the moment the percentage reaches above the national average.
As far as my own personal opinions goes, I think you should be allowed to drain the facility so to speak. All those people would be Cat 2 releases and wouldn't leave for 12 months. This wouldn't effect any stand alone tower, but could certainly effect places with 2 to 3 year check outs depending on where trainees are, but what do I known, I believe controllers should be free to transfer and move.
corn4ahead
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But that's exactly what I'm saying. If they have enough people to have a projected 102%, then why not be able to release 21. By the time the people actually leave, more people would be certified in that 1 year release date to fill the spots. Makes perfect sense.
It just seems like NATCA finally got the FAA to agree to something that would allow a lot more movement and then the FAA was like "whoa, let's change the formula for column y."
breakaway2000
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I'm with you, I'd write up something and go through your RVP, unless your RVP is Lebovidge then you can just write something up and promptly shred it to get the same result.
corn4ahead
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No it's not him but we already talked to our RVP about it today and he said there's an exception to the rule. Apparently it's an unwritten one. So whatever the PPT says, is the amount your facility can release, no if ands or buts.
CaptainObvious
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Sounds like another one to vote out next elections
breakaway2000
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An unwritten rule that you could never look up just take my word for it and stop asking me questions... you got Lebovidged
rugbydog11
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Ive got word that they will be re-running the PPT on Tuesday... This is sweet for me and could be good for many more people who may have had new cpcs.
corn4ahead
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Word from who?
rugbydog11
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My rep had an email from our RVP.
rugbydog11
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This could be a game changer for the facilities that are high on the Priority Placement List -Terminal because they might now be credited with a placement list inbound for being on the reserved for academy graduate list for the 6/2 class. A list that was to be populated today, originally missing the PPT cutoff by 48 hours.
rugbydog11
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Could also be a game changer for AOB for anyone losing people at the end of a pay period... Aka Sunday. Might suck.
breakaway2000
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Just for fun and for all of us waiting til they update the facility priority list next week... here are the number of controllers each facility can select, updated from April to May.
1. N90 - 155 to 156
2. LAX - 11 to 10
3. ZUA - 6 to 6
4. ZTL - 12 to 15
5. K90 - 11 to 8
6. DEN - 1 to 2
7. MSY - 4 to 4
8. MEM - 1 to 2
9. ZDV - 5 to 5
10. IAH - 0 t0 0
11. SLC - 0 to 1
12. SFO - 0 to 2
13. C90 - 23 to 20
14. BOS - 2 to 3
15. BWI - 0 to 1
16. ATL - 0 to 0
17. DTW - 1 to 2
18. DFW - 1 to 1
19. ZJX - 4 to 4
20. ZOB - 8 to 8
21. MIA - 13 to 7
22. HCF - 13 to 12
23. A80 - 34 to 34
24. JFK - 1 to 0
25. CLT - 0 to 0
26. ORD - 2 to 3
27. I90 - 24 to 28
A rational human being could see which facilities will climb/fall, but I expect the next priority list to have all kinds of irrational moves.
1. N90 - 155 to 156
2. LAX - 11 to 10
3. ZUA - 6 to 6
4. ZTL - 12 to 15
5. K90 - 11 to 8
6. DEN - 1 to 2
7. MSY - 4 to 4
8. MEM - 1 to 2
9. ZDV - 5 to 5
10. IAH - 0 t0 0
11. SLC - 0 to 1
12. SFO - 0 to 2
13. C90 - 23 to 20
14. BOS - 2 to 3
15. BWI - 0 to 1
16. ATL - 0 to 0
17. DTW - 1 to 2
18. DFW - 1 to 1
19. ZJX - 4 to 4
20. ZOB - 8 to 8
21. MIA - 13 to 7
22. HCF - 13 to 12
23. A80 - 34 to 34
24. JFK - 1 to 0
25. CLT - 0 to 0
26. ORD - 2 to 3
27. I90 - 24 to 28
A rational human being could see which facilities will climb/fall, but I expect the next priority list to have all kinds of irrational moves.
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