New Mandatory Mask Wearing MOU is out.

[PushingTin]

So what's the endgame for the shadowy government conspiracy here?

Step 1: Mandate masks to accelerate the end of a pandemic
Step 2: ????
Step 3: Also ????
Step 4: Uhh... we haven't gotten this far. Lobotomies maybe? To accomplish... a goal of some kind?

What exactly is your objection to masks here? Is it just being told what to do or do you somehow still cling to the idea that they do nothing despite all of the science saying otherwise?

Nobody wears masks now. Nobody is going to wear masks. There will be no punitive actions taken. The MOU is a joke, and 4+ months late. Hazard pay needs to come.next. also, it's the nail in the coffin for trainees.

 

[ATCJoe85]

So what's the endgame for the shadowy government conspiracy here?

Step 1: Mandate masks to accelerate the end of a pandemic
Step 2: ????
Step 3: Also ????
Step 4: Uhh... we haven't gotten this far. Lobotomies maybe? To accomplish... a goal of some kind?

Way behind the curve. The conspiracies with these guys started way before masks. Back in March even requesting 6 feet between people was "part of the plan".

 

[yup]

also, it's the nail in the coffin for trainees.

You don’t think mandated masks will make people/NATCA more comfortable with training? I’m hopeful that trainees who have been working already will be allowed to start training with masks, at least that would squash the “more people in the building” argument. Though I’m sure someone sitting at home will file a grievance saying they want to be trained too, and therefore they won’t do it for anyone...

 

[Hyooz]

Nobody wears masks now. Nobody is going to wear masks. There will be no punitive actions taken. The MOU is a joke, and 4+ months late. Hazard pay needs to come.next. also, it's the nail in the coffin for trainees.

The MOU is the first step toward people who aren't wearing masks wearing masks. Gives you an excuse to raise a stink if it isn't happening or isn't being enforced, too. I'd definitely agree that it's 4 months late, but hey, it's the FAA, at least it happened. Hell, I agree with hazard pay too, but this is a necessary first step. People wearing masks makes facilities safer, so trainees are more likely to have a chance now than before. If absolutely nothing else, it's better than nothing, so it's a good thing.

 

[CaptainObvious]

You don’t think mandated masks will make people/NATCA more comfortable with training? I’m hopeful that trainees who have been working already will be allowed to start training with masks, at least that would squash the “more people in the building” argument. Though I’m sure someone sitting at home will file a grievance saying they want to be trained too, and therefore they won’t do it for anyone...

Yeah because they’ve been risking the same exposure and should carry the same priority

 

[Bandit117]

absolutely 100% you can bet your ass they read this shit and get triggered as hell. Any in person real life big league dissent (privatiziation, etc) gets met by nasty emails, threats, de facto ex-communication, stripping of details/duties/assignments/work groups. ask GulfCharlie

Care to elaborate? ?

 

[denver0739]

No. We have training department or contractors.

ok. That is completely different than here

Interesting to see the differences. At my z we have CPCs doing our labs anything past part tasks. Sometimes even part tasks. I think it’s a good idea to have CPCs training even in the lab, that way they can properly train from the beginning on how the area works or is at least more up to date with what is and isn’t required or normal.

We also have contractors for both instructors and rpos as well.

 

[CF]

Care to elaborate? ?

I got a notification that this was quoting my post. Am I pushingtin in some alternate timeline?

 

[32andBelow]

Interesting to see the differences. At my z we have CPCs doing our labs anything past part tasks. Sometimes even part tasks. I think it’s a good idea to have CPCs training even in the lab, that way they can properly train from the beginning on how the area works or is at least more up to date with what is and isn’t required or normal.

We also have contractors for both instructors and rpos as well.

I think the lab is a totally waste of time and only screens the worst of the worst. And you don’t actually know anything till you work for real.

 

[DankVectorz]

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I think the lab is a totally waste of time and only screens the worst of the worst. And you don’t actually know anything till you work for real.

I’d rather they get screened out there than the floor

 

[32andBelow]

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I’d rather they get screened out there than the floor

Yah but it’s this huge ass bottleneck that makes training twice as long for minimal benefit. The only lab I actually learned stuff in was non radar

 

[bravoindia]

The MOU is the first step toward people who aren't wearing masks wearing masks. Gives you an excuse to raise a stink if it isn't happening or isn't being enforced, too. I'd definitely agree that it's 4 months late, but hey, it's the FAA, at least it happened. Hell, I agree with hazard pay too, but this is a necessary first step. People wearing masks makes facilities safer, so trainees are more likely to have a chance now than before. If absolutely nothing else, it's better than nothing, so it's a good thing.

Ya I can’t wait for the trainees to bitch about someone not wearing a mask and then wondering why they washed out. Gotta wear these masks that will help you survive a virus that you have a .04% chance of dying from. Most place can maintain 6ft anyway except the busier facilities that are even at 50% of normal traffic staffing handoffs or positions close to each other.

 

[PushingTin]

Gotta wear these masks that will help you survive a virus that you have a .04% chance of dying from.

LOL. in all fairness, with how many fat fucks are in ATC, its probably like a .05% death rate ! we must shut down all of life to protect

 

[Hyooz]

Ya I can’t wait for the trainees to bitch about someone not wearing a mask and then wondering why they washed out. Gotta wear these masks that will help you survive a virus that you have a .04% chance of dying from. Most place can maintain 6ft anyway except the busier facilities that are even at 50% of normal traffic staffing handoffs or positions close to each other.

We gotta talk about this shit right here.

Death is not the only outcome of Covid. Yes, for some people it's like a mild flu but for others - even those that survive - it's debilitating and life-changing. A survivable case can still require hospitalization. You may not die, but for every 1 person that dies, 19 get it bad enough to require extended hospitalization, 18 have permanent heart damage, 10 permanent lung damage, 3 will have strokes, and scattered others will have life-long debilitating changes, up to and including lost limbs from blood clots.

Hell, recently Nick Cordero, a Broadway actor and pretty young guy, survived Covid, but ended up dying from the complications which led to 95 days in the ICU, during which he was in a medically induced coma, had his leg amputated, lost 65 pounds, had to go on dialysis, needed a pacemaker and was on a ventilator before ultimately dying.

So lets maybe take this thing seriously, because for every guy that takes 2 weeks downtime and bounces back no problem, a bunch more people are fucked up for life - even if only some of them die directly from Covid.

 

[mnsalty]

Though I’m sure someone sitting at home will file a grievance saying they want to be trained too, and therefore they won’t do it for anyone...

ROTFL. there ain't no natca anybody who is gonna file anything on behalf of any trainee, this ain't a real concern.

also, it's the nail in the coffin for trainees.

PushingTin how so? I don't think trainees are anywhere close to going back to work, if that's what you mean.

 

[32andBelow]

PushingTin how so? I don't think trainees are anywhere close to going back to work, if that's what you mean.

You know when they do come back it’ll be with no notice and out of nowhere tho.

 

[CF]

ROTFL. there ain't no natca anybody who is gonna file anything on behalf of any trainee, this ain't a real concern.

If you want to file a grievance it’s your right. Natca can’t just say no.

 

[32andBelow]

If you want to file a grievance it’s your right. Natca can’t just say no.

But they can colaborate with the faa and tell you that your grievance Is denied

 

[mnsalty]

If you want to file a grievance it’s your right. Natca can’t just say no.

you won't win a grievance if at least one of the parties has your back. and filing a grievance against natca isn't a thing... so unless natca is in your court you aren't getting shit done with a grievance no matter how right or wrong you are.

 

[DankVectorz]

Yah but it’s this huge ass bottleneck that makes training twice as long for minimal benefit. The only lab I actually learned stuff in was non radar

we lose 40-50% in the lab