3rd Quarter 2017

[Andrew]

Out of curiosity, do you guys who got TOL's know how many people at your facility were passed over this round?

We were eligible to release 2 and there was only 2 of us trying to get out so we both got selected. Hope that helps

 

[Sidewinder133]

This may come off the wrong way (pompous/egotistical), but you don't go to high level approach facilities to learn to do air traffic. You go to high level approach facilities to perfect air traffic based on your own ability. If you're showing up here without knowing separation rules, an understanding of how to appropriately apply speed control, how to build gaps, how to hit gaps, how to hold gaps, how to work a frequency so there is little frequency congestion, etc. there isn't enough time or resources to teach you everything you need to know.

I didn't take that as you being pompous. It was an answer to my question and I appreciate it.

 

[BRAVOECHO]

Anyone know where permanent FLM bids are addressed in the MOU? All I can find is temporary bids. Rumor is my facility is gonna put one out since we are short FLMs and I'm wondering if they can pick from us even though we are below national average. If so, then there definitely ain't gonna be any movement for the rest of the year, maybe even into middle of next. Kinda like picking from Peter to pay Paul.

 

[GulfBravoPapa]

Anyone know where permanent FLM bids are addressed in the MOU? All I can find is temporary bids. Rumor is my facility is gonna put one out since we are short FLMs and I'm wondering if they can pick from us even though we are below national average. If so, then there definitely ain't gonna be any movement for the rest of the year, maybe even into middle of next. Kinda like picking from Peter to pay Paul.

You'd have to get a wavier approved in order to select from a facility below minimums. Seem to be 50/50 to getting approved.

 

[Stinger]

Anyone know where permanent FLM bids are addressed in the MOU? All I can find is temporary bids. Rumor is my facility is gonna put one out since we are short FLMs and I'm wondering if they can pick from us even though we are below national average. If so, then there definitely ain't gonna be any movement for the rest of the year, maybe even into middle of next. Kinda like picking from Peter to pay Paul.

Your facility will be able to select anyone they want including someone from a low-staffed facility, but if it's someone from a facility that's neither Cat 1/2 (including your own), then a deviation will need to be approved to send out a TOL/FOL.

 

[Mike Kilo]

Anyone know where permanent FLM bids are addressed in the MOU? All I can find is temporary bids. Rumor is my facility is gonna put one out since we are short FLMs and I'm wondering if they can pick from us even though we are below national average. If so, then there definitely ain't gonna be any movement for the rest of the year, maybe even into middle of next. Kinda like picking from Peter to pay Paul.

I'm guessing this is the reference. 12 b and c discuss the waivers.

1. An employee from a facility that does not meet the criteria established in paragraph A of this Section, but has been selected in accordance with the MPP process, will be issued a release date utilizing provisions of Section 12 B or C.
   
   

 

[MJ]

Here's some fodder for conspiracy theories...
I've been told out of the 141 selections this panel 34 of them were local natca officers

 

[CaptainObvious]

Here's some fodder for conspiracy theories...
I've been told out of the 141 selections this panel 34 of them were local natca officers

A buddy and I were just discussing that.

If you break that down based on number of unique employees on the panel, 7.8% of employees considered were Natca officers, yet they picked up over 24% of the selections.

In solidarity

 

[Mike Kilo]

The good ole boy program is alive and well!

Now delve even deeper. Would it have been higher if facilities had received their top choices? Or less? Dun dun dun.......

 

[Bigfella]

Here's some fodder for conspiracy theories...
I've been told out of the 141 selections this panel 34 of them were local natca officers

SOLDIARITY BROTHER!!! ✊

 

[Matt Snnnnn]

I know y'all are on a rant but I just received my TOL

How did you receive it? Home or work?

 

[Sidewinder133]

How did you receive it? Home or work?

I got a phone call on my cell from HR, then she emailed me the TOL after.

 

[BRAVOECHO]

A buddy and I were just discussing that.

If you break that down based on number of unique employees on the panel, 7.8% of employees considered were Natca officers, yet they picked up over 24% of the selections.

In solidarity

Christ on a cracker!

 

[GO]

Out of curiosity, do you guys who got TOL's know how many people at your facility were passed over this round?

Two from mine also had ERRs in but I was chosen above them so they were not necessarily unfairly passed over just got locked out once I was selected since we were only eligible to lose one

 

[GO]

I got a phone call on my cell from HR, then she emailed me the TOL after.

Same

 

[Mike Kilo]

Two from mine also had ERRs in but I was chosen above them so they were not necessarily unfairly passed over just got locked out once I was selected since we were only eligible to lose one

Was the facility you put in for above theirs? Or same facility?

 

[GO]

How did you receive it? Home or work?

Both personal and work email in addition to a phone call

 

[GO]

Was the facility you put in for above theirs? Or same facility?

Yeah. I got picked up at ZTL and the other two had ERRs in to Little Rock, Albuquerque Tower and Albuquerque Center. I also had in to a few other facilities but got picked on the #8 priority ranked one so the others became void.

 

[Dolan]

Yeah I wasn't implying anything unfair just wondering how competitive some of your towers are to get out of.

 

[likeaBOSS]

Do your ATM's have to discuss a release date before you get your TOL?