3rd Quarter 2017

I have one co worker who was told their name wasn't on the list for MSP and should have been. 17 seems pretty short for them to rank imo so that wouldn't surprise me. And I know my name made it on other lists so it isn't just a whole facility that was forgotten.
 
Uscolt's scenario contradicts the update I got, but I'll post it anyways. The NCEPT team does have a program that they use. They take the data from the manager's ranking list, run the program and it pumps out the selections. They didn't properly adjust the program for the two updated conditions (going 1 below the national average and staffing 8 to 9's to 100%). I'm guessing they're deciding between fixing the issue with the program or simply doing it by hand (not difficult). If I find out anything else I'll post it.
 
That confuses me because I know of a level 9 that received a list when they weren’t otherwise entitled to one based on the staffing to 100% rule..
 
breakaway2000 said:
Uscolt's scenario contradicts the update I got, but I'll post it anyways. The NCEPT team does have a program that they use. They take the data from the manager's ranking list, run the program and it pumps out the selections. They didn't properly adjust the program for the two updated conditions (going 1 below the national average and staffing 8 to 9's to 100%). I'm guessing they're deciding between fixing the issue with the program or simply doing it by hand (not difficult). If I find out anything else I'll post it.
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so any update on if we are going to see selections this week?
 
breakaway2000 said:
I'm guessing they're deciding between fixing the issue with the program or simply doing it by hand (not difficult). If I find out anything else I'll post it.
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So I wonder how either choice would affect the timeline of the list being released. I would imagine they are done for the day... maybe tomorrow? Or is that unreasonable to expect from the FAA?

edit: Also, is anybody at work and checking to see if there is anything changing on the NCEPT page?
 
AirTC2016 said:
That confuses me because I know of a level 9 that received a list when they weren’t otherwise entitled to one based on the staffing to 100% rule..
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I agree with this cause the priority list showed us not being able to select any but my manager received a list of 2 but he said we were eligible to select 4, which leads me to the staff 9's below to 100%
 
It's possible my information was incorrect, but I do not have access to the management lists to verify.

And reference the staffing 9 and below, those facilities did receive lists to rank, even if they were above the national average. One such is SEA. Cat one, numerous people can be released, but they are eligible with the new rule and have been making calls about people.
 
Andrew said:
I agree with this cause the priority list showed us not being able to select any but my manager received a list of 2 but he said we were eligible to select 4, which leads me to the staff 9's below to 100%
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We are a level 6 and my ATM got a list of 1 with 3 eligible based on 100% rule.
 
Maybe I could've phrased the update better. Everything on the manager's ranking list was correct. Each facility got a list that should've. The error came in the program they use to then process the manager's ranking list. Again, I'm assuming they are deciding between fixing their program or simply making the selections by hand. If I hear anything about a timeline, I'll update.
 
Soooo... Maybe i don't fully understand how this system works. Is the manager's ranking list based totally on their discretion? Like seniority or experience doesn't matter at all? If I was a manager and my friend's nephew wants to transfer to my lvl 12 tracon from a lvl 6 tower and he's been checked out 12 months, could I put him first above more qualified candidates?

I guess I don't understand the relationship between the ranking list and the selection process. What does the program actually do if the decisions are made by the managers?
 
Kyle Heyman said:
Soooo... Maybe i don't fully understand how this system works. Is the manager's ranking list based totally on their discretion? Like seniority or experience doesn't matter at all? If I was a manager and my friend's nephew wants to transfer to my lvl 12 tracon from a lvl 6 tower and he's been checked out 12 months, could I put him first above more qualified candidates?

I guess I don't understand the relationship between the ranking list and the selection process. What does the program actually do if the decisions are made by the managers?
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I'll give you the outlined version.
-Manager's can rank however they'd like. They can take their sister's cousin's nephew's former roommate over Archie League himself if they'd like.
- After each manager's ranking list is submitted, there is no emotion in the selection process. It is simply a program that is run.
- Why is a program used instead of by hand? EX. Facility XYZ can release 1 person and 10 employee's have a total of 50 ERRs out. The moment the first person is selected, the remaining 49 ERR's are removed from the system.
 
breakaway2000 said:
I'll give you the outlined version.
-Manager's can rank however they'd like. They can take their sister's cousin's nephew's former roommate over Archie League himself if they'd like.
- After each manager's ranking list is submitted, there is no emotion in the selection process. It is simply a program that is run.
- Why is a program used instead of by hand? EX. Facility XYZ can release 1 person and 10 employee's have a total of 50 ERRs out. The moment the first person is selected, the remaining 49 ERR's are removed from the system.
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Ooooohh okay I think I get it. So basically the ranking is is 'who do you want?' and the program is 'can you have him?' taking into account facility staffing and NCEPT priority. Thanks a lot

I was curious about this because I have heard strong reports from multiple sources that I am being picked up, which I guess would mean I am on the top of the ranking list. But whether or not I actually get an offer would depend on the program.
 
Kyle Heyman said:
Ooooohh okay I think I get it. So basically the ranking is is 'who do you want?' and the program is 'can you have him?' taking into account facility staffing and NCEPT priority. Thanks a lot

I was curious about this because I have heard strong reports from multiple sources that I am being picked up, which I guess would mean I am on the top of the ranking list. But whether or not I actually get an offer would depend on the program.
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Where u trying to go?
 

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