August (Q4) 2024

[ATC Zero]

So when people retire and are replaced like they do now?

The wave hasn’t started yet, give it 3-5 more years. Most places aren’t well staffed from what I hear now, throw in elevated retirement numbers plus throw in the CRWG and those new percentages don’t look good. Look up MCO and the three other facilities who’s numbers are already implemented on the PPT if you can get to the excel document it takes a little more digging than it used to.

 

[ajmezz]

The wave hasn’t started yet, give it 3-5 more years. Most places aren’t well staffed from what I hear now, throw in elevated retirement numbers plus throw in the CRWG and those new percentages don’t look good. Look up MCO and the three other facilities whose numbers are already implemented on the PPT if you can get to the excel document it takes a little more digging than it used to.

I’m pretty sure we all know how fucked staffing is and going to get worse before it gets better. What does any of that have to do with ATM’s interviewing people in regards to ncept/manager ranking list? The changes they made to the ksn make it seem like they’re actively trying to hide some of the information.

 

[ATC Zero]

I’m pretty sure we all know how fucked staffing is and going to get worse before it gets better. What does any of that have to do with ATM’s interviewing people in regards to ncept/manager ranking list? The changes they made to the ksn make it seem like they’re actively trying to hide some of the information.

I’m saying by not giving any priority to people stuck for years just exacerbates the problem of people leaving immediately. From what I can see on the Sharepoint it looks like they are going to prioritize level 4’s and facilities with checkout times less than 1year with new hires and staffing them over 100% so that’s who will be feeding the NAS once these numbers go into effect enjoy all those level 4 trainees with 6 months experience.

 

[ajmezz]

I’m saying by not giving any priority to people stuck for years just exacerbates the problem of people leaving immediately. From what I can see on the Sharepoint it looks like they are going to prioritize level 4’s and facilities with checkout times less than 1year with new hires and staffing them over 100% so that’s who will be feeding the NAS once these numbers go into effect enjoy all those level 4 trainees with 6 months experience.

They’re making positive steps (new AG selection format), but not putting some kind of cap in place for terminal transfers is only going to continue to screw the mid levels and exhaust the high levels.

 

[CaptainObvious]

so that’s who will be feeding the NAS once these numbers go into effect enjoy all those level 4 trainees with 6 months experience.

It’s not much different than it was

 

[ATC Zero]

They’re making positive steps (new AG selection format), but not putting some kind of cap in place for terminal transfers is only going to continue to screw the

It’s not much different than it was

True and more now. The big boys don’t care very much for it?

 

[HurryUpandWait]

I’m saying by not giving any priority to people stuck for years just exacerbates the problem of people leaving immediately. From what I can see on the Sharepoint it looks like they are going to prioritize level 4’s and facilities with checkout times less than 1year with new hires and staffing them over 100% so that’s who will be feeding the NAS once these numbers go into effect enjoy all those level 4 trainees with 6 months experience.

Yep I am expecting this to be an issue. It will be infuriating.

 

[slowtation]

While I agree with some rules being put in place, number 3 is laughable. Most, if not all, of the big facility rankings are handled by natca. The ATM doesn't really care at the end of the day. Imagine the CLT, DEN, PCT, etc ATM's having to interview everyone on their lists? Would take a week+ to accomplish.

Just for the DEN pick to turn it down? lol can you imagine

 

[S.T.O.P.]

When do rules usually get posted?

 

[bravounite33]

When do rules usually get posted?

Roughly a month or so before. They should be out before Aug

 

[Mike Kilo]

Just for the DEN pick to turn it down? lol can you imagine

Ha, they just had one turn it down.

 

[HurryUpandWait]

Roughly a month or so before. They should be out before Aug

They going to post the rules before packets are due orrrrrrr

 

[CaptainObvious]

They going to post the rules before packets are due orrrrrrr

Nope

 

[Bandit117]

Yep I am expecting this to be an issue. It will be infuriating.

What’s the point of seniority when someone with 6 months in the agency gets to go to the place you have been trying to get to for a decade, only becuase the FAA made a dedicated effort to staff their facility and not yours. Sounds like a lawsuit tbh

 

[Phanatical]

Rules for the panel:

Round 1

• Releasing facility must be at or above 85% Current % CPC to Target (Column L) and at or above 85% Projected % to Target (Column AA).
• Releases stop when the facility drops below 85% Current or 85% Projected % to Target.
• Gaining facilities must be below the Projected National Average (PNA).
• Facilities will make one selection at a time. The selection order will be based on the most recent Decision Lens agreement. Once every facility eligible to gain has made one selection (if available), the process will repeat until all possible selections have been made. Facilities will no longer make selections once they reach PNA.

Round 2

• Releasing facility must be at or above 85% Current % CPC to Target (Column L) and at or above 85% Projected % to Target (Column AA).
• Releases stop when the facility drops below 85% Current or 85% Projected % to Target.
• Gaining facilities must be below 90% Projected to Target.
• Facilities will make one selection at a time. The selection order will be based on the most recent Decision Lens agreement. Once every facility eligible to gain has made one selection (if available), the process will repeat until all possible selections have been made. Facilities will no longer make selections once they reach 90% Projected to Target.

Round 3

• Releasing facility must be at or above 85% Current % CPC to Target (Column L) and at or above 85% Projected % to Target (Column AA).
• Releases stop when the facility drops below 85% Current or 85% Projected % to Target.
• Gaining facilities will only be Facility Pay Level 8-9s.
• Facilities will make one selection at a time. The selection order will be based on the most recent Decision Lens agreement. Once every facility eligible to gain has made one selection (if available), the process will repeat until all possible selections have been made. Facilities will no longer make selections once they reach 110% Projected to Target.

A80/MIA/ZOA Priority Release MOU Selections

• A80/MIA/ZOA Priority Release MOU Selections will be made at the conclusion of the traditional NCEPT Panel.
• Selection order will be based on the facility with the fewest number of inbound ERRs as a percentage of vacancies (selections to projected National Average).

 

[CaptainObvious]

Same rules. Nice

 

[Eve]

What’s the point of seniority when someone with 6 months in the agency gets to go to the place you have been trying to get to for a decade, only becuase the FAA made a dedicated effort to staff their facility and not yours. Sounds like a lawsuit tbh

Two people trying to get from the same facility to the same facility, ATM ranks the one who has been in the agency less than a year #6 and the one who has been in 2 years as #21 because seniority and experience don't matter for anything anymore. But #6's daddy is in the agency and knows people. I thought this was what NCEPT was supposed to stop.

 

[GulfBravoPapa]

Two people trying to get from the same facility to the same facility, ATM ranks the one who has been in the agency less than a year #6 and the one who has been in 2 years as #21 because seniority and experience don't matter for anything anymore. But #6's daddy is in the agency and knows people. I thought this was what NCEPT was supposed to stop.

Maybe #21 is a shit person or a shit controller.

 

[Wizard]

What’s the point of seniority when someone with 6 months in the agency gets to go to the place you have been trying to get to for a decade, only becuase the FAA made a dedicated effort to staff their facility and not yours. Sounds like a lawsuit tbh

You could quit and find another job

 

[Eve]

Maybe #21 is a shit person or a shit controller.

Definitely not. They are both good people but it isn't right the new guy gets ranked high when he wasn't even a cic or ojti yet. At least the other one has given back to the facility in his time here.