August (Q4) 2024

There’s always a chance 🩵

Yup. Even if that facility wants nothing to do with them.

And even if their competition, and next person out, was #1 to another facility.

That last place person can still get selected.

You know, if aliens visit this planet someday and ask to see our finest work or inquire about humanity’s greatest achievements, we probably shouldn’t mention NCEPT.
 
Are they ever going to renegotiate the 85% rule? Maybe drop it to 80% or less since 90% of the NAS is under the national average.
 
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It just occurred to me these rules are kind of dumb this time around because the projected national average on the July PPT is 88.1%. So they are staffing to 88.1% in round 1 and then staffing to 90% in round 2. Not much difference between the 2 and there will be very few facilities that can take in round 2 but aren't eligible in round 1. Something more reasonable would've been something like staff everyone up to 80% in round 1 and then go through round 2 and staff up to 90% so they could really focus on getting bodies to the most needy facilities first.
 
It just occurred to me these rules are kind of dumb this time around because the projected national average on the July PPT is 88.1%. So they are staffing to 88.1% in round 1 and then staffing to 90% in round 2. Not much difference between the 2 and there will be very few facilities that can take in round 2 but aren't eligible in round 1. Something more reasonable would've been something like staff everyone up to 80% in round 1 and then go through round 2 and staff up to 90% so they could really focus on getting bodies to the most needy facilities first.
It’s almost as if they just reupped last panel’s rules without actually meeting
 
It just occurred to me these rules are kind of dumb this time around because the projected national average on the July PPT is 88.1%. So they are staffing to 88.1% in round 1 and then staffing to 90% in round 2. Not much difference between the 2 and there will be very few facilities that can take in round 2 but aren't eligible in round 1. Something more reasonable would've been something like staff everyone up to 80% in round 1 and then go through round 2 and staff up to 90% so they could really focus on getting bodies to the most needy facilities first.
I’ll pull the data later but the 85% number needs to be evaluated.
 
Round 1 vs. Round 2 matters, for anyone new to this terrible process.

That’s how somebody ranked dead last was able to steal the only selection available at my facility.

Which is awesome since that negated all of the hard work I did visiting, networking and vetting my desired facility. Manager’s Rankings are literally the only part of this process a candidate has any ability to control and isn’t completely dependent upon luck and chance, and thanks to one sentence in the rules that advantage was tossed out of the window.

Just when you think NCEPT can’t get any worse…*surprise* . Read the rules. Never assume anything is in the bag.
 
Bring seniority based transfers back!
How about no! Have you not read other posts in this thread? You have to understand that at the end of the day, it is every gaining facility’s goal to staff that facility, nothing more. With that said, you as an aspiring transfer may have only a few select facilities in mind, but if they are well staffed for the most part that will still kill your chances of being selected just like it does now regardless of how long you’ve been in the FAA or at your facility. Making this seniority based solves nothing.

If we need to change anything, it’s how we prioritize the staffing of lower level facilities to let those with experience (of any seniority) move up or over to where they want to be. At least high level facs have Article 124 which grants priority placement RIGHTS after 15 years CPC to any ingrade/downgrade but that’s basically where ever you want when you’re currently at the top (10-11-12). That’s a long time, but it’s something. We’re facing a situation where too many people are stuck at their 5-7’s for almost that equivalent timeframe anyway, and can only in grade downgrade after eight years.

I’m just saying, I think we can all agree that several things need to be changed with the way we do transfers but if there’s anything I’m really trying to drive home, It’s the fact that lower level facilities get fucked the most when it comes to transfers and making yet another thing seniority based will not help. Hell if anything I say we make it about merits and stop letting every shit-bird facility pot-stirrer that likes to make everything worse for everyone else get picked up. Those who do a good job with their skills and contribute to the facility overall should be ranked highest.
 
There should be consequences for turning down a TOL. The fact that people can essentially block others from leaving by turning down multiple selections with no consequence is bogus. The fact that you can get selected multiple panels in a row and continue to turn them down is unacceptable with a system that allows such little movement.
 
How about no! Have you not read other posts in this thread? You have to understand that at the end of the day, it is every gaining facility’s goal to staff that facility, nothing more. With that said, you as an aspiring transfer may have only a few select facilities in mind, but if they are well staffed for the most part that will still kill your chances of being selected just like it does now regardless of how long you’ve been in the FAA or at your facility. Making this seniority based solves nothing.

If we need to change anything, it’s how we prioritize the staffing of lower level facilities to let those with experience (of any seniority) move up or over to where they want to be. At least high level facs have Article 124 which grants priority placement RIGHTS after 15 years CPC to any ingrade/downgrade but that’s basically where ever you want when you’re currently at the top (10-11-12). That’s a long time, but it’s something. We’re facing a situation where too many people are stuck at their 5-7’s for almost that equivalent timeframe anyway, and can only in grade downgrade after eight years.

I’m just saying, I think we can all agree that several things need to be changed with the way we do transfers but if there’s anything I’m really trying to drive home, It’s the fact that lower level facilities get fucked the most when it comes to transfers and making yet another thing seniority based will not help. Hell if anything I say we make it about merits and stop letting every shit-bird facility pot-stirrer that likes to make everything worse for everyone else get picked up. Those who do a good job with their skills and contribute to the facility overall should be ranked highest.
We need to lower the 85% rule. That will generate more movement.
 
How about no! Have you not read other posts in this thread? You have to understand that at the end of the day, it is every gaining facility’s goal to staff that facility, nothing more. With that said, you as an aspiring transfer may have only a few select facilities in mind, but if they are well staffed for the most part that will still kill your chances of being selected just like it does now regardless of how long you’ve been in the FAA or at your facility. Making this seniority based solves nothing.

If we need to change anything, it’s how we prioritize the staffing of lower level facilities to let those with experience (of any seniority) move up or over to where they want to be. At least high level facs have Article 124 which grants priority placement RIGHTS after 15 years CPC to any ingrade/downgrade but that’s basically where ever you want when you’re currently at the top (10-11-12). That’s a long time, but it’s something. We’re facing a situation where too many people are stuck at their 5-7’s for almost that equivalent timeframe anyway, and can only in grade downgrade after eight years.

I’m just saying, I think we can all agree that several things need to be changed with the way we do transfers but if there’s anything I’m really trying to drive home, It’s the fact that lower level facilities get fucked the most when it comes to transfers and making yet another thing seniority based will not help. Hell if anything I say we make it about merits and stop letting every shit-bird facility pot-stirrer that likes to make everything worse for everyone else get picked up. Those who do a good job with their skills and contribute to the facility overall should be ranked highest.
You still have to be able to release for A124. And as more and more hit that timeframe it’s no longer an advantage.
 
I’ll pull the data later but the 85% number needs to be evaluated.
Based on current rules 103 out of 313 facilities can release. Which means only 32% of the NAS is eligible to release.

If the rule was down to 80% current and projected, total eligible facilities raises to 193 or 61% of the NAS can release.
 
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You still have to be able to release for A124. And as more and more hit that timeframe it’s no longer an advantage.
No, no you don’t.

And boo fucking hoo! At least those “stuck” with priority placement rights have been able to move at least once to a high level facility and can actually achieve A124 status. Meanwhile there are those facing 10 years stuck in the mud at a 5-7 and can only make a lateral move via only priority placement consideration (not rights) after 8 years CPC.

We need to lower the 85% rule. That will generate more movement.
Left that part out, I agree. And there needs to be ramifications for TOL declinations! There already kind of is, but my NCEPT rep is not super clear about how that takes place.
 
Left that part out, I agree. And there needs to be ramifications for TOL declinations! There already kind of is, but my NCEPT rep is not super clear about how that takes place.
I watched someone at my old facility get selected 3 times in two years. First time they extended it for 7-8ish months then declined. Selected on the next panel and extended for 6 months, while taking an in-house temp sup, then declined. Selected again 2 panels later and ultimately left. If there is a mechanism in place, they obviously don’t utilize it.

Also, as you said, the priority consideration doesn’t really mean shit if you can’t release.
 
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