February (Q2) 2025

[ajmezz]

That would be a fun grievance. Someone would have to spill the beans and keep elevating until it’s won and you get priority placement next panel.

What’s the grievance?

 

[Nothanks]

What’s the grievance?

There isn’t one

 

[Move78]

That would be a fun grievance. Someone would have to spill the beans and keep elevating until it’s won and you get priority placement next panel.

You can’t grieve not getting selected, you can only grieve being improperly excluded from consideration

 

[ATC Zero]

You can’t grieve not getting selected, you can only grieve being improperly excluded from consideration

Sending some emails out it wouldn’t be hard to catch someone up with nepotism.
When it’s blatant someone else has more experience and they got selected over someone else if both from same facility and both had applications into same facility.

 

[Move78]

Sending some emails out it wouldn’t be hard to catch someone up with nepotism.
When it’s blatant someone else has more experience and they got selected over someone else if both from same facility and both had applications into same facility.

It’s non competitive they can rank however they want. And the local doesn’t even make the selection the DO at HQ does.

 

[ATC Zero]

It’s non competitive they can rank however they want. And the local doesn’t even make the selection the DO at HQ does.

I hear what you’re saying. But it the specific situation that started this. Immediately the person not selected with more experience would be like WTF. And then a FOIA request of rankings would be uncovered and then some emails and calls would put the story together along with know facts beforehand of who knows who. Nepotism wouldn’t be hard to prove.

It’s non competitive they can rank however they want. And the local doesn’t even make the selection the DO at HQ does.

The FAA has its own strict policies on anti nepotism, I don’t think any ATM wanna go down that road if they suspect a
Hey I know so and so rank them high or a relative situation. Especially if the real life experience is vastly different.

 

[Zulu_Mike]

With the way the NCEPT timeline is, it shows:

• Monday, 20 January–Facilities shall update SWB
  • Must be completed by 8:30 am EST With today being a Holiday, Did they actually accomplish this? Are the regional HR people even working today?

 

[Move78]

With the way the NCEPT timeline is, it shows:

• Monday, 20 January–Facilities shall update SWB
  • Must be completed by 8:30 am EST With today being a Holiday, Did they actually accomplish this? Are the regional HR people even working today?

It’s not the hr deadline it says facility

 

[Zulu_Mike]

It’s not the hr deadline it says facility

Good catch, I'm a dumbass. We can now move on from this thanks.

 

[fishtaco]

Will there be a NEST panel following NCEPT? Are they completely separate?

 

[S.T.O.P.]

Ah yes, January 19th must have been national "VFR tower checkout day" 🤌

 

[Zulu_Mike]

Ah yes, January 19th must have been national "VFR tower checkout day" 🤌

That's too obvious, I recommended my trainee two weeks prior. Less suspicious. 😂

 

[SquawkHijack]

I hear what you’re saying. But it the specific situation that started this. Immediately the person not selected with more experience would be like WTF. And then a FOIA request of rankings would be uncovered and then some emails and calls would put the story together along with know facts beforehand of who knows who. Nepotism wouldn’t be hard to prove.

The FAA has its own strict policies on anti nepotism, I don’t think any ATM wanna go down that road if they suspect a
Hey I know so and so rank them high or a relative situation. Especially if the real life experience is vastly different.

A decent theory anyway, I’d be curious how that would stack up against the decision lens agreement and slate book if it happened lol.

To add context, yes I have several years of experience as a CPC over this person and have .mil experience (not that that’s considered but ATC was not new to me upon certification) the other person just certified last month and was an OTS academy grad. I wouldn’t think any ATM or facrep worth his/her salt would rank someone like that higher than someone with more experience overall (aka nepotism) but I’ve been wrong many times with this screwball agency/union.

 

[Move78]

Will there be a NEST panel following NCEPT? Are they completely separate?

They are separate

That's too obvious, I recommended my trainee two weeks prior. Less suspicious. 😂

There’s no recourse for suspicious. Until they change the release policy, the whole “make sure you pencil whip dumbfuck’s cert before Friday so one of us can leave” fuckery will not go away.

 

[Spoony90]

That's too obvious, I recommended my trainee two weeks prior. Less suspicious. 😂

I recommend mine on day one.
Let’s be honest. We don’t wash anyone cause of the NTI. At least my facility doesn’t
So why waste my time?

 

[Zulu_Mike]

PPT for this Panel is on NCEPT page of NATCA website. Jan 22, 2025 PPT will be used.

 

[7four11]

Just me or is this their way of saying no one will be moving? When I download the PPT it has 0s in the gains and losses for every facility…

 

[32andBelow]

Just me or is this their way of saying no one will be moving? When I download the PPT it has 0s in the gains and losses for every facility…

Always has been

 

[Zulu_Mike]

Just me or is this their way of saying no one will be moving? When I download the PPT it has 0s in the gains and losses for every facility…

It is there when I download on my computer. It wasn't there when I looked on my phone.

 

[WagonWheeler]

Always has been

Same thing happend on my desktop. I clicked “enable editing” and all the correct numbers showed up