New time off between shifts mandate. Big change

Spoony90 said:
They threatened me with a sick leave abuse letter 😂
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Achievement unlocked! I’d tape that bad boy to my locker or mailbox.
Kramer said:
Fear mongering is their number 1 tool. "Hey guys the district is start to look at sick leave usage" lol. "Hey guys gets this vaxx or get fired"

Seriously I have only seen or heard of 1 sick leave letter in like 15 years
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I’ve only seen ones because someone went negative (and wouldn’t be able to make it up by end of fiscal year)… I’d treat an OT sick leave letter as a badge of honor.
 
Low level 24/7 poor staffed facility...if a few say no to AWS, that effectively ends the rattler correct? Since one cannot be forced onto an AWS line..
 
Kramer said:
Low level 24/7 poor staffed facility...if a few say no to AWS, that effectively ends the rattler correct? Since one cannot be forced onto an AWS line..
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It's the end either way. Every AWS line needs a backup line to convert - that backup line would not be compliant with the fatigue MOU.

NATCA would have to agree to waive the portions of the CBA that protect us from being forced on AWS schedules for this to work and save the rattler.
 
Nothanks said:
Yea it doesn’t work all that great. Everyone comes up with something they think works or they like individually. Build the whole schedule for your entire facility or area, and present to your coworkers. Then your rep still has to go and negotiate it. Holes pop up in a lot of scenarios. It’s easy to sit here and say “oh do this”. Ok hot shot, build it then.
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It works fine. I implemented it at my facility. If anyone wants help send me a DM!
 
Tater_Toad said:
Please start making noise about wanting, needing, requiring 4 10's. Start now and yell loud.


Alaskan dude. I like some of what you're saying. I think your heads in the right place, you just didn't see how the agency truly operates like it hates us all. Monthly rotations, two pay period rotations, 4 week rotations, something like that would be great. You get 4 weeks of this shift, then switch to another shift. Nobody is stuck working the whole summer on evenings getting railed by the traffic. Nobody gets so rusty they're incompetent from the midnights. Nobody misses every fucking thing in their kids lives from being stuck on mornings or whatever screws their family live the hardest. Everybody pays their dues.

These slowly rotating straight shifts eliminate most quick turns. You could make an mou that if you accept the full 4 weeks of straight shifts you're eligible only for that shifts overtimes. If you start swapping this and that then you accept quick turns as a last resort for coverage. Prioritize the elimination of quick turns except for those who opt out and actually want them.

Fuck the FAA. I'm not helping them. They need to start helping us. We work for the public. Management works for the public. Managements incompetence is detrimental to public safety and maybe somebody needs to showcase that. Maybe we need to throw management under the bus via 60 minutes, or 20/20, or joe Rogan or something. Fuck management, all my homies hate management. They're inability to think or plan five minutes into the future has gotten people killed and will get more killed in the future. They have a shortage of technicians because they won't replace someone until 6 months after they've gone. They have a shortage of controllers for the same reason. They know our birthdays but get blindsided when everybody turns 56.

Somebody please blow the ducking whistle on these ass clowns.

The rattler is criminal and you rattler simps are fucking stupid inbred mouth breathing cucks.

5 day work weeks in a high stress profession is fucked. 6 day workweek in perpetuity is negligent on the part of the agency. I know guys with barely a months reprieve once or twice from 6 day weeks over the course of 6 years.

They will bend the fucking knee before us.
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Tater Toad for natca prez!

ATOH said:
Like what? It’s basically exactly what’s the FAA tried to force in April
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I know this is going to be the rhetoric, that the FAA did this on their own, which is somewhat true. This definitely isn’t a NATCA ‘win’. The only ‘win’ is forcing the FAA to not enact it in 30 days with no controller input.

However, the constant legislative work by natca, exposing the OT/Fatigue in senate hearings from natca, mixed with the media and political pressure forced the FAAs hand in enacting new “fatigue rules”. If there wasn’t any exterior pressure being applied to the FAA they would never in a million years change their fatigue policy or staffing model.
 
CaptainObvious said:
I know 5 people in my area that have gotten them in the last 3 months
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I got a "warning" last year that it was being monitored and next step maybe an abuse letter.

Local didn't do shit about it with no discernable pattern. They tried counting half days and worded in a way that made it seem like the argument was the amount of usage.
 
Spoony90 said:
I used to have a ATM that would call and email our neighboring military bases soliciting more traffic to get us off the 5/5 covid schedule. She wanted deals to knock us off 5/5
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Seems like we worked for the same manager at one point lol.
 
After seeing the lengths my district would go to avoid going ATC alert status I have little faith they will slow things down for staffing levels. Initially we could call an alert status on our own, then the district said no you need to reach x bodies short to them. Eventually requiring calls to the upper management who never approved any ATC alerts even when we were down to 3 bodies of a required 8.

I have my suspicions of why but we literally got 0 help when our staffing levels dropped to critical levels, I don't anticipate that ever changing with the useless management in my district.
 
Since this is all coming from the FAA side of the table, you'd hope that upper level management would take it seriously even if facility level management doesn't. The ability for us to send it straight to the RVP and Service Area supports that, in theory
 

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