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ManBearPig said:
You dont have to even do that. Ask a rep what you can do to help. There is always something which needs attention. Reps can be way over loaded.
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If I only knew it was that easy to get our president to advocate for our pay and benefits I'd have done it a while ago.

People that constantly say you have to get involved to have your voice heard miss the whole point. We have a union so the we don't have to individually be involved and we have the union to represent our interests. People that do get involved in the union should not be doing so to have their individual voice heard but to help the collective membership have their voice heard and help to further our pay, benefits, and working conditions.

While getting involved on a local level and helping your rep is a good thing, it will not help you to have your voice heard or change the direction of our union from acting like management back to performing the duties of a union.
 
Gauff said:
If I only knew it was that easy to get our president to advocate for our pay and benefits I'd have done it a while ago.

People that constantly say you have to get involved to have your voice heard miss the whole point. We have a union so the we don't have to individually be involved and we have the union to represent our interests. People that do get involved in the union should not be doing so to have their individual voice heard but to help the collective membership have their voice heard and help to further our pay, benefits, and working conditions.

While getting involved on a local level and helping your rep is a good thing, it will not help you to have your voice heard or change the direction of our union from acting like management back to performing the duties of a union.
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They act like funding the operation isn’t getting involved.
 
Gauff said:
While getting involved on a local level and helping your rep is a good thing, it will not help you to have your voice heard or change the direction of our union from acting like management back to performing the duties of a union.
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Nick Daniels proved that the president has the most power in the Union, so all other roles are moot when it comes to national decisions. He single handily extended the contract, right?

All the others were powerless to stop him. So even if you get involved, become facrep, become an ARVP, an RVP or even an EVP, it means nothing if the guy at the top decides he’s going to extend.

Or so I’ve heard.

I can’t imagine why people feel disenfranchised.
 
jdatc said:
Nick Daniels proved that the president has the most power in the Union, so all other roles are moot when it comes to national decisions. He single handily extended the contract, right?

All the others were powerless to stop him. So even if you get involved, become facrep, become an ARVP, an RVP or even an EVP, it means nothing if the guy at the top decides he’s going to extend.

Or so I’ve heard.

I can’t imagine why people feel disenfranchised.
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Why don’t you run for something instead of bitching.
 
Gauff said:
If I only knew it was that easy to get our president to advocate for our pay and benefits I'd have done it a while ago.

People that constantly say you have to get involved to have your voice heard miss the whole point. We have a union so the we don't have to individually be involved and we have the union to represent our interests. People that do get involved in the union should not be doing so to have their individual voice heard but to help the collective membership have their voice heard and help to further our pay, benefits, and working conditions.

While getting involved on a local level and helping your rep is a good thing, it will not help you to have your voice heard or change the direction of our union from acting like management back to performing the duties of a union.
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>We have a union so the we don't have to individually be involved and we have the union to represent our interests.

Sounds like a great way to see change. Just leave it up to "the union" I'm sure that will work out well.

Counterpoint here, I think as long as we make it through the next 4 years without a return to the white book or the dissolution of NATCA, that's a win. Nick got dealt a shit hand with Trump's election and the public sector unions are fighting for their existence right now, to say nothing of pay. You want better pay? Donate to the PAC. Our pay is a political question, and quite frankly outside of level 10s and below I don't think we would have any public sympathy to our "plight" of only making mid to high 6 figure salaries. If NATCA leadership started screaming about pay we would look as tone-deaf as PATCO did in the leadup to the strike.

The American dream is dead for everyone, not just us and frankly most of us are doing better than the average American.
 
zuluyankee said:
>We have a union so the we don't have to individually be involved and we have the union to represent our interests.

Sounds like a great way to see change. Just leave it up to "the union" I'm sure that will work out well.

Counterpoint here, I think as long as we make it through the next 4 years without a return to the white book or the dissolution of NATCA, that's a win. Nick got dealt a shit hand with Trump's election and the public sector unions are fighting for their existence right now, to say nothing of pay. You want better pay? Donate to the PAC. Our pay is a political question, and quite frankly outside of level 10s and below I don't think we would have any public sympathy to our "plight" of only making mid to high 6 figure salaries. If NATCA leadership started screaming about pay we would look as tone-deaf as PATCO did in the leadup to the strike.

The American dream is dead for everyone, not just us and frankly most of us are doing better than the average American.
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Advocating for someone who campaigned on a blatant lie is wild.

Public sympathy has been on our side for a while, attempting to communicate the stagnation of our benefits couldn't be any more simple.

Nick got dealt a shit hand, I'll agree, then the river flipped for him and he folded. There's no excuse for that or the continued betrayal.

The average American has a complete understanding that they can't do our job. The President wants his controllers on an MIT level. Pilots agree we're not compensated appropriately. Everyone except you, Nick Daniels, and Eugene Freedman practically agree.

You don't get what you don't ask for, the union (which is meant to advocate on our behalf) has been asking for more FAA wants than controller wants.

And to finish it off...who the fuck are you? Mid to high six figures? No line controller is making mid to high six figures.
 
zuluyankee said:
>We have a union so the we don't have to individually be involved and we have the union to represent our interests.

Sounds like a great way to see change. Just leave it up to "the union" I'm sure that will work out well.

Counterpoint here, I think as long as we make it through the next 4 years without a return to the white book or the dissolution of NATCA, that's a win. Nick got dealt a shit hand with Trump's election and the public sector unions are fighting for their existence right now, to say nothing of pay. You want better pay? Donate to the PAC. Our pay is a political question, and quite frankly outside of level 10s and below I don't think we would have any public sympathy to our "plight" of only making mid to high 6 figure salaries. If NATCA leadership started screaming about pay we would look as tone-deaf as PATCO did in the leadup to the strike.

The American dream is dead for everyone, not just us and frankly most of us are doing better than the average American.
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Mid 6 figures is 500,000
 
zuluyankee said:
Counterpoint here, I think as long as we make it through the next 4 years without a return to the white book or the dissolution of NATCA, that's a win. Nick got dealt a shit hand with Trump's election and the public sector unions are fighting for their existence right now, to say nothing of pay. You want better pay? Donate to the PAC. Our pay is a political question, and quite frankly outside of level 10s and below I don't think we would have any public sympathy to our "plight" of only making mid to high 6 figure salaries. If NATCA leadership started screaming about pay we would look as tone-deaf as PATCO did in the leadup to the strike.
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I'm getting really tired of hearing excuses of why NATCA can't do a damn thing about anything related to pay/working conditions. Trump winning was a clear possibility last year and it sure didn't stop ND/JH from promising not to extend the contract.
 
ATOH said:
I'm getting really tired of hearing excuses of why NATCA can't do a damn thing about anything related to pay/working conditions. Trump winning was a clear possibility last year and it sure didn't stop ND/JH from promising not to extend the contract.
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Their greatest betrayal was when they extended under Byron
 
CreepyPineapple said:
Everybody talks about going back to the white book but Trish Gilbert told us at the Convention that she helped pass a law that prevents them from imposing work rules on us, thus the white book should never happen again.
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They all conveniently get amnesia when you bring up arbitration regarding imposed rules.

Thump their chests about the scary white book and gloss over the real NATCA win that made it impossible to happen again.

Cucks
 
zuluyankee said:
>We have a union so the we don't have to individually be involved and we have the union to represent our interests.

Sounds like a great way to see change. Just leave it up to "the union" I'm sure that will work out well.

Counterpoint here, I think as long as we make it through the next 4 years without a return to the white book or the dissolution of NATCA, that's a win. Nick got dealt a shit hand with Trump's election and the public sector unions are fighting for their existence right now, to say nothing of pay. You want better pay? Donate to the PAC. Our pay is a political question, and quite frankly outside of level 10s and below I don't think we would have any public sympathy to our "plight" of only making mid to high 6 figure salaries. If NATCA leadership started screaming about pay we would look as tone-deaf as PATCO did in the leadup to the strike.

The American dream is dead for everyone, not just us and frankly most of us are doing better than the average American.
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I’m sure going to miss the border patrol union when it’s gone after they negotiate their contract next year.
 

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