February (Q2) 2023

[32andBelow]

There’s no restriction on gaining and releasing in the panel as a whole so you can both gain and release. If any facility is green it can release in round 1. You can be green (85/85)and also less than 90 projected. Green 4-7s can release in both rounds. Yes 10-12s are unable to gain in round 2.
Also there’s technically no guarantee a green facility will release because it depends on the rankings.

Why do they keep raising the numbers. That just insured no one will ever transfer. Didn’t they used to let people transfer at 78? Now it’s 85?

 

[Move78]

Why do they keep raising the numbers. That just insured no one will ever transfer. Didn’t they used to let people transfer at 78? Now it’s 85?

It’s been 85 for 4 years. It’s was never below 80 since the National Release Policy was signed in 2016.

 

[32andBelow]

It’s been 85 for 4 years. It’s was never below 80 since the National Release Policy was signed in 2016.

Oh I thought it used to be lower. Anyways I don’t get why they are so concerned about having every facility staffed to the same exact level. Hopefully that other thing they are working on changes the staffing numbers a lot. Some facilities would be on 7 hour breaks if they ever got to 100.

Eye roll all you want Michael. A 100% staffed center would be such a country club you’d be able to get in 18 between goes

 

[ChuckNovember]

Why do they keep raising the numbers. That just insured no one will ever transfer. Didn’t they used to let people transfer at 78? Now it’s 85?

Because both parties only want a slow trickle of transfers per round. Same reason it went from monthly to quarterly.

 

[Phanatical]

I just noticed that there is a corrected PPT on the NATCA site. The ERR Demand for Feb is up too. Looks like the corrections were to fit in the recent flurry of NEST and prior experience hires. On the gaining list, only facilities with inbound releasable ERR's are listed.

CORRECTED (current as of 1/29): Gaining/Releasing Facilities Lists with February ERR Demand

edit 1/29: it looks like some facilities may be been excluded from releasing on the previous PDFs. The updated lists are posted.

 

[Move78]

Because both parties only want a slow trickle of transfers per round. Same reason it went from monthly to quarterly.

It was never monthly

 

[Phanatical]

I believe they tried to run 8 a year one time and the national projected average tanked so much that basically no facility could release.

 

[Move78]

I believe they tried to run 8 a year one time and the national projected average tanked so much that basically no facility could release.

They ran 5 in ‘18 and it was the current that made them panic. The projected tanked after Covid.

 

[OhG]

After they correct POC, we'll be off the gaining list. Above 90% in current and projected.

 

[Jacrooster]

I just noticed that there is a corrected PPT on the NATCA site. The ERR Demand for Feb is up too. Looks like the corrections were to fit in the recent flurry of NEST and prior experience hires.

CORRECTED: Gaining/Releasing Facilities Lists with February ERR Demand

(note: gaining facilities with 0 releasable inbound ERR's were excluded)

Is there a reason some facilities aren't listed as gaining or releasing even when they have releasable inbound ERR's? Or does that not include facilities that should only be able to pick up in round 2?

 

[Ghostrider6969]

I just noticed that there is a corrected PPT on the NATCA site. The ERR Demand for Feb is up too. Looks like the corrections were to fit in the recent flurry of NEST and prior experience hires.

CORRECTED: Gaining/Releasing Facilities Lists with February ERR Demand

(note: gaining facilities with 0 releasable inbound ERR's were excluded)

Why on the natca website PPT it says my facility has 2 possible losses but we’re not on the releasing facilities list?

 

[Phanatical]

Why on the natca website PPT it says my facility has 2 possible losses but we’re not on the releasing facilities list?

Without knowing the facility, I can’t say. You can DM me if you want.

 

[StuckInOhio]

Why on the natca website PPT it says my facility has 2 possible losses but we’re not on the releasing facilities list?

Mine is the exact same way. We were on the old releasing one, gone on the new but the PPT still shows releasing.

 

[Phanatical]

Is there a reason some facilities aren't listed as gaining or releasing even when they have releasable inbound ERR's? Or does that not include facilities that should only be able to pick up in round 2?

Some facilities are ineligible to gain or release. Most common reason is their projected is above 90% while the current CPC to target % is at or below 85%.

Some 8-9’s which are eligible to release Round 1 “may” be able to gain in Round 2, but it’s impossible to create a list of those facilities since R1 selections ultimately make that determination.

 

[Phanatical]

I just noticed that there is a corrected PPT on the NATCA site. The ERR Demand for Feb is up too. Looks like the corrections were to fit in the recent flurry of NEST and prior experience hires.

CORRECTED: Gaining/Releasing Facilities Lists with February ERR Demand

edit 1/29: it looks like some facilities may be been excluded from releasing on the previous PDFs. I will triple check and release corrections later today. This was an issue on my end, not the PPT.

See my edit… some facilities missed my list for some reason. I’ll have updates out today.

UPDATE: new lists are posted on the original post. Thanks to StuckInOhio and Ghostrider6969 for bringing up the issues.

 

[Jacrooster]

Some facilities are ineligible to gain or release. Most common reason is their projected is above 90% while the current CPC to target % is at or below 85%.

Some 8-9’s which are eligible to release Round 1 “may” be able to gain in Round 2, but it’s impossible to create a list of those facilities since R1 selections ultimately make that determination.

I guess I'm just confused on the rules for round 2 in general cause it says the gaining facility (lvl 8-9) has to be below 90% projected, but then says selections stop once they reach 100% projected. But how can you get to 100% projected if you have to be under 90% to gain?

The two facilities I'm thinking of are BNA and IAD. Both level 9 and either at or just above the 90%. So I would think they qualify for R2 gains but idk.

IAD can also release 1 so could've been on the releasing list too

This is far too confusing for me to understand apparently lol

 

[CaptainObvious]

Oh I thought it used to be lower. Anyways I don’t get why they are so concerned about having every facility staffed to the same exact level. Hopefully that other thing they are working on changes the staffing numbers a lot. Some facilities would be on 7 hour breaks if they ever got to

I guess I'm just confused on the rules for round 2 in general cause it says the gaining facility (lvl 8-9) has to be below 90% projected, but then says selections stop once they reach 100% projected. But how can you get to 100% projected if you have to be under 90% to gain?

The two facilities I'm thinking of are BNA and IAD. Both level 9 and either at or just above the 90%. So I would think they qualify for R2 gains but idk.

IAD can also release 1 so could've been on the releasing list too

This is far too confusing for me to understand apparently lol

If they’re above 90% wouldn’t that make them ineligible for round 2?

My understanding is if those facilities are below 90% projected staffing after round 1, they can continue to select until they hit 100

 

[TurnSevenDegreesLeft]

I just noticed that there is a corrected PPT on the NATCA site. The ERR Demand for Feb is up too. Looks like the corrections were to fit in the recent flurry of NEST and prior experience hires. On the gaining list, only facilities with inbound releasable ERR's are listed.

CORRECTED (current as of 1/29): Gaining/Releasing Facilities Lists with February ERR Demand

edit 1/29: it looks like some facilities may be been excluded from releasing on the previous PDFs. The updated lists are posted.

No PCT pickups?

 

[Horno]

We were never making it to PCT bro. Gotta be from HEF only

 

[Phanatical]

If they’re above 90% wouldn’t that make them ineligible for round 2?

My understanding is if those facilities are below 90% projected staffing after round 1, they can continue to select until they hit 100

Here's a good example on how I'm understanding it. There may be 8-9's in Round 1 that release and then go under 90% projected. They would be eligible to gain in Round 2 then as long as the current CPC % goes under 85%. That Round 2 gaining facility would be able to fill up all the way to 100% projected provided there are still releasables from the 4-7's left for them. With that being said, I do not anticipate many Round 2 selections.