May (Q3) 2023

[Somenewguy]

Bet these changes are because some people with pull want to transfer to facilities that aren't high on the priority list. Love the union.

 

[lilgazpacho]

I am a big believer you should have to be a CPC for a year before you can ERR out. I think that would end some of the hate for the system. I was personally affected by a brand new CPC who sniped a CAT 1 release to somewhere they had no business going. If people had to wait a year to bid out, it would give CPCs who have done their time an opportunity to get selected to lower/mid level places they want to go without having to be so desperate to get the only release in years as a result of the guy who just CPC'd and who put in for SCT that happens to be at the top of the list. If we had sensible cap limits on how many people a facility could select per panel (I'd say 5 is a good number), that brand new CPC wouldn't have been selected either. There are certainly ways to get better results out of the ncept program.

I also think all releases should be CAT 1. A year from now is a long time to wait for your new trainee to show up when staffing was bad enough for them to be selected today.

What about for prior experience people? For example, I controlled for 7 years before getting in the agency, and I should yield to someone who only has 1 year exp but its been with the faa? Idk, not complaining or anything, but just pointing our how it could harbor some resentment in that aspect.

 

[CoffeeIV]

What about for prior experience people? For example, I controlled for 7 years before getting in the agency, and I should yield to someone who only has 1 year exp but its been with the faa? Idk, not complaining or anything, but just pointing our how it could harbor some resentment in that aspect.

Yes, because your controlling time in the military and contract towers mean nothing. If your contract tower was NATCA, you already have better leave and days off than that person. Why should you get special treatment to bid out before them too?

 

[CaptainObvious]

What about for prior experience people? For example, I controlled for 7 years before getting in the agency, and I should yield to someone who only has 1 year exp but its been with the faa? Idk, not complaining or anything, but just pointing our how it could harbor some resentment in that aspect.

I was a prior experience hire. Not me personally but they already gave some in that track dream locations, and we all got more leave and skipped the academy. I don’t at all feel I wouldve deserved to bid out before my trainers because I’ve controlled longer. They put their time in at the facility and the FAA

 

[Cmsgthokage]

What about for prior experience people? For example, I controlled for 7 years before getting in the agency, and I should yield to someone who only has 1 year exp but its been with the faa? Idk, not complaining or anything, but just pointing our how it could harbor some resentment in that aspect.

I feel the same, don’t feel like my military time should mean much when it comes to bidding out. Time limits to bid out won’t fix the problem though.

Yes, because your controlling time in the military and contract towers mean nothing. If your contract tower was NATCA, you already have better leave and days off than that person. Why should you get special treatment to bid out before them too?

I don’t think they meant their time in service should count towards anything when ERRing out. Just that they don’t care for the “year as aCPC” rule people suggest. I don’t think it would help anyways.

 

[Phanatical]

NCEPT Facility Lists:

Green = Releasing Facilities
Purple = Gaining and Releasing Facilities
Red = Gaining Facilities
Black = Not Eligible

MJ please replace my "Gaining Facilities" PDF with this one... the demand sheet looks like its current now

 

[HurryUpandWait]

I am going to wait and see how this panel plays out with the new system. As stated before, only true way to fix this is hire more personnel every year and it seems the agency is finally starting to understand this, just 10 years too late, but better late than never..

 

[32andBelow]

I am going to wait and see how this panel plays out with the new system. As stated before, only true way to fix this is hire more personnel every year and it seems the agency is finally starting to understand this, just 10 years too late, but better late than never..

Why do you think they understand this? There still just doing the same 1 panel every spring

 

[Phanatical]

Did they come out with the rules yet? 3 levels up still or are they disregarding that entirely?

I’m not answering this question.

 

[GulfBravoPapa]

Did they come out with the rules yet? 3 levels up still or are they disregarding that entirely?

That was never a rule for NCEPT. Only for hardships.

 

[Jake Sully]

Why is it that some place like CHA and MLI have current and projected numbers both at or above 85 and they are still category none?

 

[Phanatical]

Why is it that some place like CHA and MLI have current and projected numbers both at or above 85 and they are still category none?

Likely a rounding error in the PPT… when it gets close to 85.0% it can do unusual things. This is why possible losses can be maybe 1 off the real number.

 

[CoffeeIV]

ZNY: Possible gains to target 527, Releasable ERRs: 1. Oof. Has ZNY ever had any special hiring bids like A80 or N90?

 

[Bandit117]

ZNY: Possible gains to target 527, Releasable ERRs: 1. Oof. Has ZNY ever had any special hiring bids like A80 or N90?

Article 124 I bet

 

[5600k2]

Something seems off with that ZNY math, if they are 197/296 how can possible gains to target be 527 even with the ~75 retirements

 

[WhoIs???]

Something seems off with that ZNY math, if they are 197/296 how can possible gains to target be 527 even with the ~75 retirements

Maybe with the 27% success rate, the math works.

 

[5600k2]

Ooof that explains it, the 527 would yield 142 after training, but that 27% is surely inaccurate, especially for a CPC-IT transfer

 

[KiloZulu]

Ooof that explains it, the 527 would yield 142 after training, but that 27% is surely inaccurate, especially for a CPC-IT transfer

You'd have to get an appreciable amount of center transfers for that to matter and everyone knows center controllers can't transfer

 

[Papacharlie327]

What about for prior experience people? For example, I controlled for 7 years before getting in the agency, and I should yield to someone who only has 1 year exp but its been with the faa? Idk, not complaining or anything, but just pointing our how it could harbor some resentment in that aspect.

Yea. You yield based on seniority. Actually seniority should have more play in NCEPT as well. Seniority has its hands in almost everything we do in our union and this agency.

 

[ZO]

Yea. You yield based on seniority. Actually seniority should have more play in NCEPT as well. Seniority has its hands in almost everything we do in our union and this agency.

And by almost everything, you mean solely schedule bidding?