An ACTUAL violation of the MOU. So if they do move people around according to the above, illegally, perhaps we can file a grievance in mass? Perhaps even lawyer up and have a leg to stand on?
An ACTUAL violation of the MOU. So if they do move people around according to the above, illegally, perhaps we can file a grievance in mass? Perhaps even lawyer up and have a leg to stand on?
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I'm looking at the Feb 2017 Estimated Controllers over the National Average sheet and I see that they are all listed with 0 over the average and are not a category. What sheet are you looking at?
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Like I said that came from the unofficial sheet posted here. The one on KSN doesn't have any of them in category
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Do you have the link to that?
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The one that MJ posted today is the one that's up. They removed the category section and the portion with the red, yellow, or green staffing zone
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Their action dates from the last NCEPT minutes says should PPT and NCEPT data should be executed on 21 Feb and I think it was this is probably just an additional update, so if anything it was late if it's the brand new one
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Here's why...
NCEPT update....
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> All,
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> After the last PPT run, a few facilities identified issues with their data. We were able to work with Management Services and get the database updated in advance of the NCEPT panel. It’s not something we thought we would be able to accomplish, but it was completed this aftrnoon. The revised document is attached.
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> Because the database is national, more than the few facilities were updated - the difference between the two days is as follows:
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> Current # of CPC On-Board – gain of 29
> AOB on Temp – gain of 3
> Current % CPC to Target – gain of 0.1%
> ATCS in Training – Loss of 9
> Committed ATCS Inbound – gain of 39
> Temps Inbound – gain of 6
> Committed ATCS Outbound – gain of 10
> Temps Outbound – gain of 3
> Projected % to Target – gain of 0.4%
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> they will start the rest of the preparation for the panel on Monday.
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So my facility target is 22. According to the FPPT that had that new last 3 columns in it, it showed that we needed 20 CPCs in order to be Cat 2. However, last quarter, there were 3 facilities that had 19/22 when the panel met and was able to release one person. So is it 19 or 20?
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It should be 20, what facilities got to release at 19?
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Just looked. Actually it was 4 facilities CHS, FWA, GRR, and SNA. I have the priority placement tool dated right before last panel if it helps and you'd like to pursue something.
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So it should be 19 then based on historical data.
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The 19's shouldn't have been eligible, I'd at least be interested to see what their response would be if your facility currently has 19, is ineligible, and you grieve it.
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I'm not looking at the spreadsheet right now, but you must remember a few things. 18/22 is 81.82% because they said they round to hundredths.
1) They originally said they'll allow you to release if you go 0.2% below the national average.
2) The national average drops as the selections are made, so if you go through the spreadsheet with the selections made last quarter and make those adjustments, facilities may become eligible during the panel.
3) Don't forget about the projected staffing. The number of trainees at a facility can determine whether you are able to release just as much as the number of CPCs can.
1) They originally said they'll allow you to release if you go 0.2% below the national average.
2) The national average drops as the selections are made, so if you go through the spreadsheet with the selections made last quarter and make those adjustments, facilities may become eligible during the panel.
3) Don't forget about the projected staffing. The number of trainees at a facility can determine whether you are able to release just as much as the number of CPCs can.
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Then we should be able to release with 17 CPCs and 13 Devs, but we're still ineligible
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No kidding, we are at 17/22 but our projected is over 90%. What the heck.
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If you're at 17, you must calculate losing one. 16/22= 72.73% ~ 8.5 points below the national average. Not eligible at all.
Your current CPC AOB must remain at or above the AOB national average
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Your projected staffing must remain at or above the projected national average.
(As previously mentioned, 0.2% below would count as being "at" national average and the release would be allowed)
Your current CPC AOB must remain at or above the AOB national average
AND
Your projected staffing must remain at or above the projected national average.
(As previously mentioned, 0.2% below would count as being "at" national average and the release would be allowed)
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As I pull up the numbers...
1) CPC national average was 82.36% for the December which still leaves a .54% gap, but close. It's now 83.39%, making the 19/22 ineligible for this next panel.
2)While all the research I've seen has shown they don't recalculate, whether based on facility priority or CPC % from every individual selection during the NCEPT. It 'appears' based on an assumed eligible ERR amount that they made CHS, FWA, GRR, and SNA Cat II prior to last panel. Given 64 selections, that dropped the CPC number down to 81.94% which brought the 81.82% into the 0.2% wiggle room. (EDIT - This was wrong, CPC % does not change with an ERR selection, only Projected AOB changes until you physically leave the facility)
3) Projected staffing is only relevant if your CPC percentage is met. You could have 80% CPC and (hypothetically) 6 billion trainees and your facility still wouldn't be eligible.
Long story short, 19/22 were able to release last panel (with corresponding or greater Projected AOB), but with the current CPC % increasing, that number now raises to 20. It sucks. When this all started, my facilities number if we lost 1 was 84%. We were ineligible for the first panel because the national average was 85% and through a series of unfortunate events, haven't been eligible until this panel.
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I thought in the err SOP on the KSN website, it allows a .8% drop.
