2nd Quarter 2017

[breakaway2000]

I couldn't find it in the SOP, MOU, or Q+A about the % deviation allowed. It's not in any of the previous minutes, I know I've seen it somewhere, probably in an email from our RVP, just can't find it in writing now. You know where it is Bullit?

 

[breakaway2000]

As I reread my above post, my reasoning on #2 is wrong. CPC % doesn't change based on getting picked up on an ERR, only projected AOB is adjusted until you actually leave your facility, which leaves the .54% variable for those facilities last panel. If we can find the allowable deviation in writing, you could have a case.

 

[MJ]

I couldn't find it in the SOP, MOU, or Q+A about the % deviation allowed. It's not in any of the previous minutes, I know I've seen it somewhere, probably in an email from our RVP, just can't find it in writing now. You know where it is Bullit?

it is .2, unless it was changed without notifying anyone. it was done after the initial panel, so it wouldn't be in any of the original documentation.

the staffing sheets here use the formulas for the ncept to generate the numbers, so they should be accurate. a very borderline fac has potential to be incorrect, depending on where the FAA people round their numbers versus where I did (i only round the final numbers, not every intermediate step). i haven't done this months yet, but ill try to do it tonight.

 

[bullittman68]

They may not be sticking STRICTLY to the 0.2% deviation... I cannot find the document that contained that info anymore.
We will know next week when they release the new facility category sheet, hopefully.

 

[corn4ahead]

It's in the err SOP in the files on KSN. The file was updated on Feb 15 but I couldn't find it yesterday. I think they took it off. The last time they did that, it was to publish a change.

 

[KG]

What is the perception of emailing a manager? I've already visited my intended facility last summer and spoke with the manager but obviously want to do everything I can to help my chances.

Is that frowned upon? Or do people commonly do that?

 

[Move78]

This is a good point. Kinda like the frustration of having a seniority date from 5 years ago, being CPC for 4 years and getting your schedule/leave bid snaked by someone that's been in the agency for 6 years and never certified anywhere...
Truly believe ERR submission date relevance would be outrageous though.

Seniority has it flaws as well. Half the people in my facility have seniority over me by less then a year because they washed from a different facility. I've been a CPC prior to all of them, even three years prior to some. Granted you could have biased managers, but I wish they would just let the gaining facility call and ask "Who's better?" I have no issue with someone getting a position over me if they're truly better at the job, the reverse is brutal.

 

[Move78]

Is there any talk of amending to process to fix the glaring, obvious problem of discrepancy in facility type advantages? What I mean is the only shot you have of ever moving is working at a tower only. Cat 1 facilities all tower only. Best chance you have is to pick a well staffed low level tower only as an AG or NEST washout, check out in 7 minutes and then pick wherever you want to go and you'll probably just get it. Which is why you have people in the agency getting a highly requested high level facility after 7 months in the agency when's there's been CPCs waiting to go to said facility for a decade.

 

[AirTC2016]

I believe EUG will be Cat 1 this next panel and they are not tower only.

 

[Move78]

I believe EUG will be Cat 1 this next panel and they are not tower only.

Im sorry "most" I guess? I mean the trends are undeniable here. And troubling.

 

[Move78]

Because it is in the contract.

Promise not lazy. But I don't know what section you are referring to.

 

[wrigley615]

Hello, brand new here. I'm searching but no luck on where to find a link to the KSN website. Thanks for the info!

 

[corn4ahead]

HTTPS://Ksn2.faa.gov

Must be on government computer.

 

[wrigley615]

Thanks!

 

[wrigley615]

Sorry everyone, I'm way behind the curve here and trying to educate myself as quickly as possible. Ok so I put in a couple of ERR's on 2/20 and if I'm reading everything correctly I was too late to be considered for this round of the NCEPT. I also put in a bid for a TMU job on 2/20. The MOU states that the TMU bid is subject to the release policy however I'm not sure how NCEPT comes into play with that bid. Can anyone here elaborate on this? Will there be some sort of deadline for consideration with this job when it comes to how my current facility is staffed? We were a Cat 2 by a thread on the last facility status page from 1/27 on the Natca website. Thanks!

 

[breakaway2000]

Sorry everyone, I'm way behind the curve here and trying to educate myself as quickly as possible. Ok so I put in a couple of ERR's on 2/20 and if I'm reading everything correctly I was too late to be considered for this round of the NCEPT. I also put in a bid for a TMU job on 2/20. The MOU states that the TMU bid is subject to the release policy however I'm not sure how NCEPT comes into play with that bid. Can anyone here elaborate on this? Will there be some sort of deadline for consideration with this job when it comes to how my current facility is staffed? We were a Cat 2 by a thread on the last facility status page from 1/27 on the Natca website. Thanks!

Correct, your ERR's won't be looked at this panel. If you get selected for the TMU job, if your facility is Cat I or Cat II, you will be subject to the same release dates. If you are not Cat I or Cat II, you will need to get a waiver approved to be selected. Over 50% of waivers get approved, the closer your facility is to Cat I or Cat II at the time of selection, the better chance you have of getting your waiver approved.

 

[Stinger]

Sorry everyone, I'm way behind the curve here and trying to educate myself as quickly as possible. Ok so I put in a couple of ERR's on 2/20 and if I'm reading everything correctly I was too late to be considered for this round of the NCEPT. I also put in a bid for a TMU job on 2/20. The MOU states that the TMU bid is subject to the release policy however I'm not sure how NCEPT comes into play with that bid. Can anyone here elaborate on this? Will there be some sort of deadline for consideration with this job when it comes to how my current facility is staffed? We were a Cat 2 by a thread on the last facility status page from 1/27 on the Natca website. Thanks!

Jobs posted on USAJobs like your TMU application don't go through NCEPT and they aren't involved in that process. However if you get selected, you need to meet the staffing requirements that are addressed in the ERR MOU to get a release date.

Correct, your ERR's won't be looked at this panel. If you get selected for the TMU job, if your facility is Cat I or Cat II, you will be subject to the same release dates. If you are not Cat I or Cat II, you will need to get a waiver approved to be selected. Over 50% of waivers get approved, the closer your facility is to Cat I or Cat II at the time of selection, the better chance you have of getting your waiver approved.

More than 50% get approved....unless you're like me and get selected time after time (around 10) with the waiver constantly getting denied.
Was it you that posted the information about all of the deviation history and which ones were approved vs denied? Was that on the KSN site? I've been trying to find that page, but haven't been able to.

 

[wrigley615]

Thanks for the info guys!

 

[Saint]

These posted on the KSN last night. I believe they are the official/final #s for next week's NCEPT.

 

[breakaway2000]

I'm going to say this as nicely as I can... How in the flying fuck does a level 8 tracon that can only pick up one person get to the top of the NCEPT list