Enroute Class pass rate

[bayoumudd92]

That’s different but true. Only two people failed though. The two people had the option to go home or retake the course. Because they’re retaking the rest of the class is retaking lol. At least that’s what I heard. Pretty stupid to no throw them in another class.

 

[Shikaka]

That’s different but true. Only two people failed though. The two people had the option to go home or retake the course. Because they’re retaking the rest of the class is retaking lol. At least that’s what I heard. Pretty stupid to no throw them in another class.

Sounds stupid, but if a classmate in anyway has an advantage over another during their time at OKC. A washout can make a complaint based off of that.

 

[bayoumudd92]

The only think i can think is that if the two that failed passed after two months of basics and then someone that passed the computer based dropped out then that person might make a deal of it saying the computer based system did not prep them well enough. Thats probably the reason for sending everyone through.

 

[Huntin_GI]

ZDV got a new training manager that is flyinggggg people through the training dept so I wouldn't be surprised to see more come in.

I disagree whole heartedly. Im at the back of a line. 11 month estimate from start date till D-sims. Admin schedule until then. ???

 

[tacoking]

Okay I have a theory/conspiracy ...For those who get to the eval stage, are pass rates as good as they are, right now, because the FAA doesn't want to deal with grievances, regarding the shutdown? Like once ALL those trainees affected by that leave, is it possible that pass rates will go back down?

I just got out of basics and I'm feeling really good about pass rates. But I also need to maintain a healthy amount of pessimism lol.

Also another question, don't the smaller classes tend to have a higher percentage pass? The instructors got all wigged when I asked that. "No no no! They're all the same!" I feel like none of the instructors are honest with me when I ask questions like this. Which is understandable, they don't want people thinking or knowing that anyone has a slight advantage or disadvantage.

I've had neighbors that were part of the shutdown. They've since graduated and left for their facilities. They stayed here an extra month longer than they had to. Which meant that they also got an extra month to practice and get their stuff down. Only ones that failed were from nerves (What their classmates have told them)

I heard rumors of people that failed being recycled through the academy? Does anybody have any truth to this?

I've personally seen students get escorted out by security after failing their final evals. They don't get recycled. They send you home. I think some elect to stay as RPOs?

 

[tacoking]

8/11 Passed today

 

[ClearanceClarence]

Wow, pass rates have been pretty significantly higher recently for whatever reason. It’s encouraging to someone like me starting in a week lol. 72% passing sounds a lot less terrifying that 50% or less lol.

 

[boots]

Wow, pass rates have been pretty significantly higher recently for whatever reason. It’s encouraging to someone like me starting in a week lol. 72% passing sounds a lot less terrifying that 50% or less lol.

These are still classes from before the shutdown. I'm curious to see what happens in the coming months.

 

[ClearanceClarence]

These are still classes from before the shutdown. I'm curious to see what happens in the coming months.

When will the first class that wasn’t effected by the shutdown be graduating? It will be interesting to see if this is just some soft form of compensation to those who were effected. It’d be nice if it was more of a systemic change though, either in the evaluators themselves or how they’ve been instructed to evaluate. It’s never really made sense to me why enroute passing rates have historically been 20-30 points lower than terminal. Everyone’s coming form the same hiring bids, so it’s not a talent issue. Either enroute is generically twice as hard as terminal, or there’s a difference in the way the evaluations have been done/graded. Hopefully somebody finally realized that firing half of the people you hire after 4 months isn’t the best operating standard and they’ve made changes to improve it.

 

[GulfBravoPapa]

Hopefully somebody finally realized that firing half of the people you hire after 4 months isn’t the best operating standard and they’ve made changes to improve it.

Neither is sending controllers to the field who have no business being there. The academy is meant to fail people because this isn't a job that everyone can or should do. Use the fake airplanes to realize that, not the real ones.

 

[ABACUS]

Wow, pass rates have been pretty significantly higher recently for whatever reason. It’s encouraging to someone like me starting in a week lol. 72% passing sounds a lot less terrifying that 50% or less lol.

Also, realize that classes are 95% of the time 12 people or 18 people

When people post 8/11, that means 11 people made it to eval day and 8 passed. Most likely, they lost one along the way in basics or non radar.

 

[OKbusyB]

Either enroute is generically twice as hard as terminal, or there’s a difference in the way the evaluations have been done/graded. Hopefully somebody finally realized that firing half of the people you hire after 4 months isn’t the best operating standard and they’ve made changes to improve it.

If they got around a month of extra time, that’s about twice the amount you’d normally get. The radar portion is around a month and a half from start to finish. They aren’t going to just pass people for charity's sake. The academy is a walk in the park compared to live traffic.

 

[J-one-s]

I've had neighbors that were part of the shutdown. They've since graduated and left for their facilities. They stayed here an extra month longer than they had to. Which meant that they also got an extra month to practice and get their stuff down. Only ones that failed were from nerves (What their classmates have told them)



I've personally seen students get escorted out by security after failing their final evals. They don't get recycled. They send you home. I think some elect to stay as RPOs?

I'm just not sure how easy to it to "get things down" without an instructor. In basics maybe a blocks worth, but non radar? How well would you practice back home, without classmates? Hell you could practice wrong for a month a completely fuck yourself over. Maybe if they were a few days away from non radar evals, they could master it and get ALL 14 of them points. Radar? Can't practice that anywhere but the academy.
The way I see it, there's a small window of people who could have truly benefited from the shutdown and used the time to practice and have everything start to click. Those people are gone now.
The people leaving now were in basics during the shutdown. How much could you, I, or anyone really practice non radar or radar if we were in their shoes?
Complaints matter here. I've known RPOs and Instructors who were canned because a trainee was starting to drown. And if a trainee has a valid reason, and can take someone else down with them, it's possible for them to get some points back. I'm talking PETTY SHIT. "I was offended by way the RPO answered the line with 'oh heyyyy, Jackson Approach'. It was very inappropriate. And it threw me off." That kind of shit.(she didn't end up passing btw). And the FAA, SAIC, and CNI all have to look into that crap.
A month long shutdown is a pretty damn valid reason. And I'm sure the FAA wouldn't want to go through and deal with every single complaint. I'm curious as to when those trainees will be out of the academy, because I want to see the next class' pass rates.
Im bracing for a decline in pass rates, but the hopeful side of me is agreeing with those who said the newer evaluators are making a difference. Also the FAA only took 500 people from the '18 bid vs the usual 1500-2000. With so many facilities going red, I just can't see a good reason for writing up too many "over restrictions" and "controller judgment" errors... But hey, it's the FAA.

 

[OKbusyB]

I wouldn’t say it was hard to practice non radar or radar by yourself.. For non radar I took my practice problem strips home that I had gone over with the instructors and reran them over and over, noticing where I’d trip up and get better at phraseology.

For radar my class, we all took turns going to the practice lab and typing on the keyboard, we’d think up common trap hypothetical situations for problems, and just quiz each over LOA’s. Granted, I had a very competitive and motivated class, but there’s definitely a lot of work you can do on your own to make the evals easier.

 

[J-one-s]

I wouldn’t say it was hard to practice non radar or radar by yourself.. For non radar I took my practice problem strips home that I had gone over with the instructors and reran them over and over, noticing where I’d trip up and get better at phraseology.

For radar my class, we all took turns going to the practice lab and typing on the keyboard, we’d think up common trap hypothetical situations for problems, and just quiz each over LOA’s. Granted, I had a very competitive and motivated class, but there’s definitely a lot of work you can do on your own to make the evals easier.

Holy shit! The academy gave people access to the radar practice lab during the shutdown?

 

[OKbusyB]

Holy shit! The academy gave people access to the radar practice lab during the shutdown?

No I graduated before the shutdown. There’s a computer area that you can load problems on and practice.

 

[AMD]

No I graduated before the shutdown. There’s a computer area that you can load problems on and practice.

Is that a during class thing or on your own time?

 

[OKbusyB]

Is that a during class thing or on your own time?

Own time. There’s not many though, so you’d have to get there early to grab one most of the time. I do think they have a practice strip board area for non radar now too.

 

[bayoumudd92]

They have a non radar lab as well. Kims place provided us boards which were awesome. It’s a pita to run problems on a flat table. There’s also stacks and stacks of strips that you ”should not remove from the lab”

 

[AMD]

They have a non radar lab as well. Kims place provided us boards which were awesome. It’s a pita to run problems on a flat table. There’s also stacks and stacks of strips that you ”should not remove from the lab”

I'm staying at Kim's so that'll definitely come in handy