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That wasn’t about you. Couldn’t be less interested in a conversation between two people who aren’t listening to each other enough to realize they’re arguing about different things.
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I find all of your conversations whimsical and amusing. Carry on peasants.
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I always find it ironic when baby boomers complain about millennials when baby boomers and Gen-X raised millennials. Contrary to popular belief we didn’t make our own participation ribbons, our parents made them for us.
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Joke’s on them, I pulled myself up by my boot straps and DID make my own participation ribbons. Now I’m prepared to reward myself for all the things I think are worthwhile.
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I think a lot of the boomers mistake millennials for the Gen Z kids. Us millennials are not the tide pod eaters.
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I like Gen Z’s sense of humor. Us millennials may not have eaten tide pods, but we did destroy the _____ industry, so I guess they’re not so bad.
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We all got too much time on our hands with this 5/10 off business. Really wish we were arguing about the upcoming (cancelled) NCEPT instead.
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No arguments left to be had. NCEPT has run its course now.
All high level facilities are staffed up (minus the obvious that is N90, ZNY, Atlanta, Chicago) and new hires have more of a selection than those who are trying to transfer as a current CPC. I said this on the (now defunct) latest NCEPT panel thread. Plenty of time now to contemplate a hardship case though ??
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Im not a boomer! Boomers only know how to use Tinder and Spy on female trainees Facebook & Instas on their old school holstered cell phones. They couldnt possibly post P.65 hot takes ?
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Simpler times back then.
This. There are two different FAA’s. The one that people get to transfer around to their hearts content, and the FAA where you’re chronically understaffed and you have no hope of ever getting out.
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Very well put.
Thank you. Sadly, I’m in the no-hope FAA.
Don't forget about the newer NCEPT FAA which even if you have a release the 18 facilities you have paperwork into can't take anyone.
At least you have hope. Some places are so far behind the staffing/training curve they will never be able to release.
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I bet if you polled those facilities 30-50% wouldn’t want to move and train again. It is short sighted to think closing down any facilities will improve staffing in the FAA. Can those people even certify at bigger airports? Do you think they should be fired just because they can’t run ORD ground? Yes that’s an exaggeration but it will happen. The faa would just count those people transferring into their new facility as new hire numbers and slow the academy down.
So by your estimate 50-70 percent wouldn’t mind moving. That seems like something that would warrant serious consideration. Also, I’m really curious what percentage of staffing of the facilities that should be consolidated or closed, assume 8 and below, have errs to leave. I bet you, in general It’s very high. Does anyone have any actual data on that? How about a poll at low level facilities on here, what percentage of your work force has errs out? And the way the ncept is working the people who get ord now can’t work ord ground. Wash outs are wash outs, and statistics don’t lie, in general successful trainees at a 2nd or 3rd facility are prettyhigh. I think the movement would be incredible and for a little bit slowing down the acedmy wouldn’t matter. You would inject certified controllers to facilities so that controllers everywhere might have a chance to move sooner than they do now. Also, In my opinion you can’t really argue an 85 percent staffing requirement for movement. It is a good idea for everything, leave, training, details, career progression (not managment but whatever you want your career to be), facility improvements, etc etc. I think consolidations and closures would improve that.
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