AB19
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There’s people that came here from busier contract facilities lmao, people think they’re hot shit because they work at some high level
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That’s because they have nothing better to do than thumb their bunghole and tell others they’re doing it wrong
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I’ve worked mil facilities, a 7 tower and a 12 tracon. In the order listed, the personalities were most ridiculous to least.
GMX
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If nothing else I feel selecting from the candidates within three levels before looking at the lower facilities. That way they could still be eligible if all the higher level people are selected first or cannot release anymore. Give the middle level facilities a chance to further their careers. Doesn’t seem like NCEPT has been kind to them with all the 4-6s going straight to highly desirable places.
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Used to be that way years ago.
I don’t think the faa actually gives a shit about fairness though.
MAF right? I met your supe. You guys are the definition of a black hole. Did you really have a dev withdraw from training right after they were told they would be watched for certification the next day? Bc they are stuck if they cert. It sucks the faa can’t properly train or staff facilities
The problem is training. Many mid level up downs are two years plus to train, because it takes a lot of time and there’s delays etc. meanwhile the faa won’t send you new people until you have a loss of some kind, so by the tome something comes out the pipe, it’s 2 years plus before its primed again
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it takes too long to train at many smaller to mid level facilities because they take themselves too seriously, and make people rack up bullshit hours. Change my mind
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100% this. When I certified through the tower at my facility before “target hours” people complained to my training team that “they haven’t seen everything yet”
Part of this job is learning on your own.
AB19
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Correct, and not exactly that but close, I also threatened to do the same thing if they didn’t certify me before this last raise. I had a trainer tell me to do that otherwise I’d be stuck here. We’ve had more people leave here through other means than we have gotten new since I’ve been here. The actually facility isn’t that bad, and it’s a great place to learn, but the location is just absolute cheeks
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I may or may not have drank all afternoon and evening yesterday now I gotta go back and see how much shit I talked in here last night
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Keep the train rolling until around noon today. Then drink even more afterwards because of the results!
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This would be me if I didn’t work today.
Yes And no, the FAA‘s approach to staffing is often to send large waves of people regardless of whether or not a facility has the ability to actually train them in a reasonable amount of time. I know of small level facilities who are some of the most understaffed in 2015 getting waves of 10 trainees at a time even though they only had the capacity to train 8 to 10 hours of OJt a week based on the staffing they had. How can you train 10 people on 5-7 positions when you can only train a few hours a week? People find ways out rather than stare down 2.5 years of training at a crappy place, they quit, hardship, etc
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Many of those facilities have super long training programs for no reason. But yes, the faa doesn’t know how to assign bodies in moderation.
That was their top fix for N90…how many people can you throw at the wall and see what sticks
That was their top fix for N90…how many people can you throw at the wall and see what sticks
And it still hasn’t worked there, and it doesn’t work at the lower level facilities either. MLI had the worst as I recall, in 2015. They had such low staffing they were giving up airspace to take lunches if there was a sick call. They gamed it out and discovered they could do 4-5 hours of ojt a week. The faa sent them 14 people in 6 months, as I recall. A lot of wasted time sitting around doing nothing.
