New time off between shifts mandate. Big change

[ManBearPig]

Something is different. The excel program that FAA uses for staffing projection, BATS, is on hold to send out the 2025 info. message on the site from last week:
"due to unforeseen circumstances, LY25 BATS will be on hold at this time. More updates will be posted."

They should just delete it entirely. BATS is garabage.

 

[JB_Nomee]

Are they going to implement the changes for 2025 bidding or try to force changes before the end of the year?

 

[GulfBravoPapa]

Are they going to implement the changes for 2025 bidding or try to force changes before the end of the year?

2025 bidding I believe

 

[CaptainObvious]

Are they going to implement the changes for 2025 bidding or try to force changes before the end of the year?

I’ve heard both

 

[Move78]

Am I reading those minutes right? Navarro is taking over as an NCEPT lead?

And Joel

 

[GulfCharlie]

Am I reading those minutes right? Navarro is taking over as an NCEPT lead?

They expect Navarro to lose his RVP spot.

 

[bravounite33]

Any word yet on what the "agreement" actually is?

 

[32andBelow]

Any word yet on what the "agreement" actually is?

It’s going to be exactly what the FAA said it was going to be. They assign work.

 

[Mike Kilo]

They expect Navarro to lose his RVP spot.

Good. He should go back the boards and stay there.

 

[GulfBravoPapa]

I heard the 12 hours before the mid stays, 10 hours before all other shifts. Only new thing I've heard is the option to work a six hour shift on your fourth day (before a mid) but you have to make up the hours earlier in your work week.

Still not seeing a great way to implement this at 24 hour facilities.

 

[32andBelow]

I heard the 12 hours before the mid stays, 10 hours before all other shifts. Only new thing I've heard is the option to work a six hour shift on your fourth day (before a mid) but you have to make up the hours earlier in your work week.

Still not seeing a great way to implement this at 24 hour facilities.

Straight shifts will give you the exact same coverage. The question will be will you rotate or will you just work the same time all year. 6 hour before the mid wouldn’t be that good unless you could also work a 6 hour mid. Like 6-12 12-8 would be horrendous.

 

[twn]

I heard the 12 hours before the mid stays, 10 hours before all other shifts. Only new thing I've heard is the option to work a six hour shift on your fourth day (before a mid) but you have to make up the hours earlier in your work week.

Still not seeing a great way to implement this at 24 hour facilities.

1400-2200
1300-2100
0700-0300
0600-1200
0000-0800

 

[Kramer]

1400-2200
1300-2100
0700-0300
0600-1200
0000-0800

38 hours?

 

[twn]

38 hours?

Math has never been my strong suit

 

[KP-ATC]

38 hours?

It's approved with me

 

[bravounite33]

1400-2200
1300-2100
0700-0300
0600-1200
0000-0800

Who works between 2200-0000?

 

[AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise]

Who works between 2200-0000?

Airspace is closed

 

[twn]

Who works between 2200-0000?

damn u rite, lol we about to get boned

 

[Kramer]

Who works between 2200-0000?

Exactly, this is gonna be very difficult for 24/7 facilities with minimal staffing. Closers gonna have to work 1530-0030.

1530-0030
1230-2130
0800-1600
0600-1200
0000-0800

Again we don't have the bodies to make this work unless they increase our "number" from 15 (which we never have) to 18. But if we legit have 16 I think we could do straight shift and rotate weekly.

Straight shifts will give you the exact same coverage. The question will be will you rotate or will you just work the same time all year. 6 hour before the mid wouldn’t be that good unless you could also work a 6 hour mid. Like 6-12 12-8 would be horrendous.

You would have to rotate, who be unfair not to

 

[twn]

1400-0000
1300-0900
0700-0300
0600-1200
0000-0800