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[Phillytroll69]

Imagine being so oblivious you thought the reauth was pointless.

Uhh isn't it.

 

[blarg]

So hypothetically, your next three years will be your highest, they are also your last three. no family or anything to worry about.
your base is x
at x+fac1 you make 200k
at x+fac2 you make 175

you'd be better off going to facility 1? My bad on my misinformation

The "Annual Salary" on your employee express is your "base pay", which is your "basic pay" multiplied by your locality rate. That is what is used in your pension calculation (high 3 of base pay aka annual salary).
If you went to another equal level facility, you divide out the locality to find the basic pay, then use the new locality instead. That would be your new "base pay". There's more to it when taking in to account facility level changes, but whatever gives you the highest base pay is what gives you the highest pension.

If you work somewhere with 30% locality, and your salary or base pay is 120k. 120k/1.3 = 92.3k. 92.3k is your basic pay, which you found by removing the 30% locality by dividing by 1.30. If you move to somewhere with 35% locality, you would then make 92.3k basic pay * 1.35 locality = 124.62k as your new base pay.

 

[FightingIrish2012]

Or maybe one new law that put ATC in an entirely separate system that exempted us from all the other rules that would normally apply to federal employees.

Like privatization? Still done get why people are so scared of that.

 

[RomeoTangoRT]

Like privatization? Still done get why people are so scared of that.

Lol buddy I live the privatization life every day and have for the last 5 years. I promise you want no part of it.

 

[AB19]

But surely with profits everything will be better

 

[Seeyoufly]

Yah but they spend all their time Lobbying for pointless shit like the FAA reauthorization. Like congress was going to defund the FAA if they didn’t remind them not to.

Do you have a single clue what FAA reauth is?!?

This comment should make you lose any credibility you have here….

Imagine thinking it wasn’t going to get reauthorized without natca.

You think it’s just some stamp to “reauthorize”….it changes nothing?

To give you an idea of the amount of change reauth has….EVERYTHING is on the table.

The house bill just passed changes pilot retirement age to 67. It could just as easily changed controller retirement age to 70….you don’t think Natca should take it seriously?!?

 

[32andBelow]

You think it’s just some stamp to “reauthorize”….it changes nothing?

To give you an idea of the amount of change reauth has….EVERYTHING is on the table.

The house bill just passed changes pilot retirement age to 67. It could just as easily changed controller retirement age to 70….you don’t think Natca should take it seriously?!?

Yah if they want to go lobby for a new contract in there they should. What good thing are they lobbying for? They just say staffing 100 times

 

[Seeyoufly]

Yah if they want to go lobby for a new contract in there they should. What good thing are they lobbying for? They just say staffing 100 times

There is an order of events to success….reauth and staffing, which takes care of funding, which opens up the ability to go to the table for a contact….

But keep banging your fist on a table and see how far it gets you.

 

[32andBelow]

There is an order of events to success….reauth and staffing, which takes care of funding, which opens up the ability to go to the table for a contact….

But keeps banging your fist on a table and see how far it gets you.

The contract literally said when we could go negotiate. Our new contract should have been in this reauthorizarion.

 

[Seeyoufly]

The contract literally said when we could go negotiate. Our new contract should have been in this reauthorizarion.

The foundation wasn’t there. That’s what I am trying to say. This reauth is building a foundation.

Do you want to go to the table complaining that staffing sucks, and the workforce is carrying the burden of low staffing, and work from a disadvantage, all to have the faa point to the controller workforce plan, and faa finance numbers and say we are staffed, and then have to fight convincing congress that we are short staffed? Or do you have that fight now, and then go to the table knowing the faa is at the disadvantage?

 

[32andBelow]

The foundation wasn’t there. That’s what I am trying to say. This reauth is building a foundation.

Do you want to go to the table complaining that staffing sucks, and the workforce is carrying the burden of low staffing, and work from a disadvantage, all to have the faa point to the controller workforce plan, and faa finance numbers and say we are staffed, and then have to fight convincing congress that we are short staffed? Or do you have that fight now, and then go to the table knowing the faa is at the disadvantage?

I don’t give a fuck about that staffing. The FAA hires The controllers. I want my union getting me more 🍞

 

[Seeyoufly]

I don’t give a fuck about that staffing. The FAA hires The controllers. I want my union getting me more 🍞

Lol ok…. Any how do you think that happens?

You March into the room and say “I WaNt MorE mOneY!” They say “why”, you say “because” and they write a check?

You have to fix staffing before you fix pay, period.

 

[CashmereBuffalo]

Lol ok…. Any how do you think that happens?

You March into the room and say “I WaNt MorE mOneY!” They say “why”, you say “because” and they write a check?

You have to fix staffing before you fix pay, period.

Or, you could fix the pay and attract more staffing. To-mato Ta-mato.

 

[Soul_Controller]

Or, you could fix the pay and attract more staffing. To-mato Ta-mato.

Ain't no shortage of people wanting this job

 

[CashmereBuffalo]

Ain't no shortage of people wanting this job

Its no longer about the people who want the job. Its about the people who no longer want the job. They need to find a way to retain more of that 26% 1st year retirement selectee’s.

From the 2023 ATC Workforce Hiring Plan.

Its no longer about the people who want the job. Its about the people who no longer want the job. They need to find a way to retain more of that 26% 1st year retirement selectee’s.

From the 2023 ATC Workforce Hiring Plan.

Resignation/Death Rates in controllers have doubled in 2 years. From double digits, to triple digits. You could say that covid may have contributed, as resignations are in the same category as deaths. However, the FAA has maintained the triple digit forecast for the next decade.

2021:






2023:

 

[32andBelow]

Lol ok…. Any how do you think that happens?

You March into the room and say “I WaNt MorE mOneY!” They say “why”, you say “because” and they write a check?

You have to fix staffing before you fix pay, period.

Well you negotiate a contract. That’s how it works. TSA just got a huge raise. Maybe if all the natca lobbyers just worked position we’d have better staffing

 

[Seeyoufly]

Well you negotiate a contract. That’s how it works. TSA just got a huge raise. Maybe if all the natca lobbyers just worked position we’d have better staffing

Do you know what TSA did prior to their contract? They spent years getting the law changed, to allow them to negotiate pay. I guess they should have just kept negotiating contracts and skip the law changing part….

 

[32andBelow]

Do you know what TSA did prior to their contract? They spent years getting the law changed, to allow them to negotiate pay. I guess they should have just kept negotiating contracts and skip the law changing part….

We akrewdy did that. Back when natca wasn’t scared. I’m all for them lobbying for something important. But not to send 100 people to talk about some FAA spreadsheet then just punt on the contract.

 

[Phillytroll69]

We akrewdy did that. Back when natca wasn’t scared. I’m all for them lobbying for something important. But not to send 100 people to talk about some FAA spreadsheet then just punt on the contract.

Can you please stop saying docuMENts and SPREADsheets how can we get to negotiations when you keep mansplaining with divisive language

 

[32andBelow]

Can you please stop saying documents and SPREADsheets how can we get to negotiations when you keep mansplaining with divisive language

We have to set the chairs. Then the tables. Light the candles. And then we can possibly ask for an extension.