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[Phillytroll69]

We have to set the chairs. Then the tables. Light the candles. And then we can possibly ask for an extension.

In the next year or so most of the trainees who got hosed during covid, then forgotten about, will be checked out.
When the timing is right-i think a candidate can grassroots it.

If they prioritize lobbying congress for a one time x% raise for trainees delayed due to covid stoppages. We don't get the bad or step raises for time based service.

Point out that the past president told congress our transfer system was great and a lot of people are Homer's and don't want to move.

Propose some contract adjustments-tiered overtime, a telecommute day for elms once every x months, whatever.

Someone needs to step up. CFS and other meetings should be held digitally. We dont need money pouring into Vegas casinos, how about pouring into bringing record high traffic counts and record low staffing to the attention of congress

 

[32andBelow]

In the next year or so most of the trainees who got hosed during covid, then forgotten about, will be checked out.
When the timing is right-i think a candidate can grassroots it.

If they prioritize lobbying congress for a one time x% raise for trainees delayed due to covid stoppages. We don't get the bad or step raises for time based service.

Point out that the past president told congress our transfer system was great and a lot of people are Homer's and don't want to move.

Propose some contract adjustments-tiered overtime, a telecommute day for elms once every x months, whatever.

Someone needs to step up. CFS and other meetings should be held digitally. We dont need money pouring into Vegas casinos, how about pouring into bringing record high traffic counts and record low staffing to the attention of congress

I’d vote for you. 💕. There’s so many tweaks to get the average controller pay up without even changing the pay scales. You should never lose a raise from the first day you start. Every step should just be years of service. And you never lose your step. They have it in my wife’s contract. They call it lanes. When you qualify for the next lane you move over at your current step.

 

[Phillytroll69]

I’d vote for you. 💕. There’s so many tweaks to get the average controller pay up without even changing the pay scales. You should never lose a raise from the first day you start. Every step should just be years of service. And you never lose your step. They have it in my wife’s contract. They call it lanes. When you qualify for the next lane you move over at your current step.

Unfortunately I got to witness what happens when you go against the grain like zilonis.

The grassroots movement will have to be motivated people that got hosed by covid to put up flyers at facilities and stuff. The time isn't right quite yet because they'll be blackballed as they finish training

 

[32andBelow]

Unfortunately I got to witness what happens when you go against the grain like zilonis.

The grassroots movement will have to be motivated people that got hosed by covid to put up flyers at facilities and stuff. The time isn't right quite yet because they'll be blackballed as they finish training

I don’t think they realize what’s going on in the outer facilities. No one gives a shit if you're in the union. We just share the natca wifi password with everyone. Literally no one is hardcore brother

 

[Phillytroll69]

I don’t think they realize what’s going on in the outer facilities. No one gives a shit if you're in the union. We just share the natca wifi password with everyone. Literally no one is hardcore brother

Yeah, but by making a point of uniting the bottom ranks/forgotten trainees I think someone could have a real shot. The mid tier/average joe controller would love to hear that the same people can't get their travel to cfs for 'safety training'. Getting motivated people in is all you need.

Your point about comradery is the issue though, NATCA is great for the people that need it and use it...the rest of us are just kind of funding it for wifi

 

[blarg]

Regardless of motivations/intentions, some newly certified person with no experience in the union or real experience as a CPC becoming NATCA president would have their asses handed to them by the FAA simply due to lack of knowledge base.

 

[32andBelow]

Regardless of motivations/intentions, some newly certified person with no experience in the union or real experience as a CPC becoming NATCA president would have their asses handed to them by the FAA simply due to lack of knowledge base.

I don’t think it needs to be a new cpc. But they should rally the new CPCs

 

[Phillytroll69]

Regardless of motivations/intentions, some newly certified person with no experience in the union or real experience as a CPC becoming NATCA president would have their asses handed to them by the FAA simply due to lack of knowledge base.

I'm not newly certified, but good point you'd probably have to go for facrep first or something the natca101 class probably won't cover how to be president

 

[HurryUpandWait]

Its not complicated. You're not getting it. You're not worth the money you think you are. That's the whole point of my posts.

What about in compared to what controllers make in other countries?

The reality of the situation is that our working conditions arent' that bad. Threatening to strike for a lack of a/c? I think we did that in the 80s. Not to oversimplify it but talking about striking is dumb-we have decent jobs. That said we are at record high, yes pre 9/11 levels plus of airplanes, and record low staffing. One suggestion for a contract option

tiered overtime
0-50 hrs 1.5x
50-100 1.75x
100-200 2x
200+ 2.5x
(this would also stop making it easier to just decide it's cheaper to pay overtime than train)

also, it's a little backwards to limit transfers to after x years cpc at a 10-12 facility you get to go where you choose, that needs to be cut down to y years cpc at any level.

i mean hate on the contract and union all you want but our job is pretty sweet, but it's become degraded to a lower middle class position and i feel like we should be upper middle class with 6 day a week shift work

This is exactly why a strike would be beneficial in the current climate. The FAA has shown us over and over again they do not truly feel we are under staffed. Throughout multiple senate hearings, investigations, studies, etc. they acknowledge we are under staffed but quickly state how they have met staffing targets for x amount of years.

I really don't know what will get them to get off their asses and fix the staffing crisis. It has been going on for 20 years and Rinaldi, Santa, congress, senate, you name have all confronted them and nothing but worse results happen

 

[32andBelow]

This is exactly why a strike would be beneficial in the current climate. The FAA has shown us over and over again they do not truly feel we are under staffed. Throughout multiple senate hearings, investigations, studies, etc. they acknowledge we are under staffed but quickly state how they have met staffing targets for x amount of years.

I really don't know what will get them to get off their asses and fix the staffing crisis. It has been going on for 20 years and Rinaldi, Santa, congress, senate, you name have all confronted them and nothing but worse results happen

There is zero chance of getting a consensus on a work action. Half the people would go to work

 

[HurryUpandWait]

I see a lot of complaining about the 1.6% raise in June. I'm all for more money, but that number represents how we move through the band and chances of a large increase to that number are slim.
We really need more people focusing and pushing to rewrite the TCI formula and/or band adjustments. The Agency has been winning ever since they went to 12 LVLs and introduced the current TCI. While many will tell you they got big instant increases, the long game has not been good to many. Downgrades are a real problem. Its depressing to look back just 15 or 20 years ago and see the level of ALL the facilities in the NAS. The majority, (centers not included), of facilities have seen at least 1 or 2 level downgrades during that time if not more. In the past lower to mid-level facilities were hit the hardest, but now we see LAX can't maintain a 12, and MSP and DTW are 9's. Hell, we only have 4 up/downs LVL 10 or higher in the entire NAS. These are the real problems I would like to hear the national office focusing their attention on and discussing with members.

Absolutely. Especially when our traffic numbers in the NAS are increasing.

There is zero chance of getting a consensus on a work action. Half the people would go to work

And that’s the issue. Hell, we have people in here complaining about wanting a pay raise saying we don’t deserve it. Unreal stuff

 

[32andBelow]

And that’s the issue. Hell, we have people in here complaining about wanting a pay raise saying we don’t deserve it. Unreal stuff

That that take is mind boggling. Why wouldn’t anyone stand in solidarity when the leaders won’t even go to the table to ask for something.

 

[Mike Kilo]

There is zero chance of getting a consensus on a work action. Half the people would go to work

🙋

 

[RomeoTangoRT]

I vote for NATCA leadership to, instead of getting a 1.85x multiplier on the highest pay band in the NAS, get the lowest of the lowest paid facility level. Let’s see how quickly action gets taken to increase pay then when they’re working for $66k instead of $300k+.

 

[Mike Kilo]

I vote for NATCA leadership too, instead of getting a 1.85x multiplier on the highest pay band in the NAS, get the lowest of the lowest paid facility level. Let’s see how quickly action gets taken to increase pay then when they’re working for $66k instead of $300k+.

I remember my pay raises at the level 7. Pretty much meaningless. $40 a paycheck give or take before shit is taken out if memory serves and basic calculations from someone who barely graduated high school.

The 1.6% June raise should be on average controller salary (120k ish maybe?) or current salary, whichever is higher. That would help those stuck at low facilities or that just want to stay where they are and homestead.

 

[FightingIrish2012]

I hear a lot of controllers at the level fours and fives are applying to TSA now that they can “save pay” as it transfers within the new TSA bands, get a better schedule, get a “badge” they can use to trick stupid cops out of giving them tickets as they are “federal agents”, and it’s easier to transfer to another city there.

 

[Nothanks]

There is so much in this thread that is just false. You guys are just stirring your own pot, getting absolutely nothing changed.

 

[32andBelow]

What isn’t false is that our 5.2% raise given to us by Joe Biden and the executive branch ONLY looks to be on track.

 

[Phillytroll69]

There is so much in this thread that is just false. You guys are just stirring your own pot, getting absolutely nothing changed.

If you see the post above timing is not right but what're some examples

 

[Smitty]

There is so much in this thread that is just false. You guys are just stirring your own pot, getting absolutely nothing changed.

like what? simp. come down from ivory tower and see what its like to be at one of the non NEB-connected Eastern region untouchable scam-ass facilities. Let them eat cake, right?