Or better yet, demand the FAA stop sending previous experience hires to mid levels and have the start off lower like everyone else. Opens up the mid levels for transfers so desperate lower levels stop bidding high.
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Or better yet, demand the FAA stop sending previous experience hires to mid levels and have the start off lower like everyone else. Opens up the mid levels for transfers so desperate lower levels stop bidding high.
Yeah. When your facility only has one release, why aim for a low Priority 7 when there’s 12s? There is no incentive to try to step up.
Dontbotherme
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I think everyone should go to the academy and based on potential talent demonstrated there, you can get assigned a facility band. Example: Controller A is doing awesome and they get offered a 7/8/9, out of the academy. They progress through training and certify, spend a few years there, and then pending no issues get to bid up to 4 level10-12 facility.
Controller B doesn’t do well at the academy and get assigned to a 4/5/6. They certify, spend a few years there and then get to bid up to 4 levels higher.
After a certain number of years at a 12 (say 15 as CPC), you can transfer down, save pay, and your job is to train the next group of people filling those high level positions.
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Isn’t it grand that we all have these same, worn out complaints every time the selection list gets released? It’s become a hobby of mine.
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which level 12 are you a CPC at hot shot?
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None. Not aiming for a 12. And I’m not hot by any means.
pineandash
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Do they send those tower and combined folks that are transferring to a Z back to MMAC for enroute school?
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Nope, centers can train from the ground up.
HenryTheAce
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No. Centers are built to train.
FightingIrish2012
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Built to train? You obviously have never been to ZMP!
HenryTheAce
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I got there before they sent 125 trainees in the building and I didn’t get backlogged like a lot did. They still pretty backlogged there (pre-covid times)?? I liked ZMP, great place to be! I miss it.
EDIT: If one thinks ZMP is bad though don’t ever come to Detroit. Maybe the training program has changed at ZMP but it was great when I was there. I had my area assigned, maps and the dates for when tests were going to be on day 1 there. Knew who my trainers were in nonradar and had minimal delays other then standard pro-time in between sectors and such.... I showed up day 1 at Detroit and no one knew who I was, had no idea I was coming, and I got shoved in the basement for 10 months before they did anything with me.
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GulfBravoPapa
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To be fair there is a level below the training department in Detroit... That's where the tower sim is lol. Besides just go wander the terminal like everyone else does.
HenryTheAce
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Lol true, so I guess it wasn’t the true basement. Definitely got good on the corn hole boards though out on the ramp with all the extra time. Terminal was nice as well to kill some time on those long 8.5hr days
Funny how that works. When I was a new hire at ZJX everything was comparable to how you described ZMP, pretty seamless. When I swapped to ZDV I got the “who are you and why are you here” on day one. That sums up the continued dysfunction of ZDV training department.
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Changes for NCEPT:
1) No more than 4 level jump
2) How ever long it took you to certify, you have to give 50% of that time before you can transfer (took 2 years to certify, have to work a year before leaving)
3) Penalize controllers who decline offers (ie. can’t submit paperwork for a year)
4) Limit number of ERRs you can have out
5) Staff level 4-6 to 120% staffing
1) No more than 4 level jump
2) How ever long it took you to certify, you have to give 50% of that time before you can transfer (took 2 years to certify, have to work a year before leaving)
3) Penalize controllers who decline offers (ie. can’t submit paperwork for a year)
4) Limit number of ERRs you can have out
5) Staff level 4-6 to 120% staffing
HenryTheAce
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Must be a CPC-IT thing lol!! Or maybe there’s Just very few facilities training programs that actually have their shit together... The rest are absolute dumpster fires
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jdatc
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Ha. I got to ZDV, and they were like, here's your maps. they are open book. we have like 2 lab problems for you since you didn't do ERAM. ok, go train whenever you are done with that stuff. Supervisor: Who are you? Training team, sure I guess we will find you one. Just go train. It didn't matter, a transfer center CPC should be a home run.
Later when I was training people, I didn't like the fact that they ran the radar labs for the new people with live notams. It was stupid if you went through labs in the winter with snow removal as you would have it worse then if you went through in the summer. I told the training department it was stupid, and wasn't fair to trainees. They wouldn't listen to me, so I kicked it directly to someone I knew high up in OKC from rewriting some local training orders at my old Z. I didn't win my argument, but management was shocked when they realized things had got out of the building in regards to training and I certainly didn't follow the chain of command. I never will. Maybe that's why no one misses me.... But I did give the break room a new toaster oven before I left.
Then I went to a large tracon. Short classes, relevant sims, and a cbi on equipment and done in a year. But don't ask me how to do anything on stars. Oh yeah, might want to teach me what class B airspace is again.... hahaha. Training will always be what it will be, but after your first facility it's not hard to figure it out. I'd be trying to head to my 4th if my ERR paperwork didn't expire and I wasn't scared of ERR'ing during the covid.
Robert_Boucher
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Just curious but why #4. If a person is willing to go to every facility they have paperwork in for why should there be a limit?
32andBelow
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Lol at number 2 when you can’t even train half the time
