Leaving NATCA outside January

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💯That’s because they have gotten to big and are running the Union like a corporation. So many scams and wasted money. How many positions ran unopposed this last election cycle? Nothing is going to change with the status quo, it will just be an extension of the Paul and Trish years stuff their pockets with cash and keep hitting repeat. Mafia type behavior by NATCA elitist, that keep us brainwashed with the same punchlines over and over and over.
Brainwashed isn’t the correct way to word it. We aren’t brainwashed by punchlines or mantras; we all see the writing on the walls when it comes to how the game is being played. The 2018 election is evident enough.
 

Electricfence

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leaving Natca will do nothing. They will still represent a large majority of the work force. And unless you create your own union with equally or more members, the FAA will try to divide and conquer. I have zero problems with having complaints, but none of you stand up and run and try to take over. That’s your best shot to change things.
 

GulfCharlie

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leaving Natca will do nothing. They will still represent a large majority of the work force. And unless you create your own union with equally or more members, the FAA will try to divide and conquer. I have zero problems with having complaints, but none of you stand up and run and try to take over. That’s your best shot to change things.
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Mike Kilo

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leaving Natca will do nothing. They will still represent a large majority of the work force. And unless you create your own union with equally or more members, the FAA will try to divide and conquer. I have zero problems with having complaints, but none of you stand up and run and try to take over. That’s your best shot to change things.
Wait, that’s why we’re supposed to go into management….. I see what’s going on here….
 

Robert_Boucher

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leaving Natca will do nothing. They will still represent a large majority of the work force. And unless you create your own union with equally or more members, the FAA will try to divide and conquer. I have zero problems with having complaints, but none of you stand up and run and try to take over. That’s your best shot to change things.
Honestly someone running for a local FACREP won't be able to implement changes on the national level anyways. Some RVPs offer very little mentoring or advice to those when asked, instead they resort to belittling new reps for not being apart of the good boys club. Don't get me wrong not all of them are like this.

IMO nothing will really change until some of the RVPs and senior leadership retire within the next few years.
 

Smitty

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IMO nothing will really change until some of the RVPs and senior leadership retire within the next few years.

with all this "transitory" inflation, those GoFundMe's will be epic!



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Electricfence

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Honestly someone running for a local FACREP won't be able to implement changes on the national level anyways. Some RVPs offer very little mentoring or advice to those when asked, instead they resort to belittling new reps for not being apart of the good boys club. Don't get me wrong not all of them are like this.

IMO nothing will really change until some of the RVPs and senior leadership retire within the next few years.
Who do you think becomes rvps?
 

BDUB

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What I'm saying is the older RVPs are the ones that still have the Union mafia type mentality. The younger ones seem too have a more level head. I'm not ignorant to think we will have an entire NEB that's great, but the more that retire the better it should be.
The young heads just turn to old heads and nothing changes. Literally the same system our governments been on for the last 100yrs 😂
 

Robert_Boucher

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The young heads just turn to old heads and nothing changes. Literally the same system our governments been on for the last 100yrs 😂
You're right. I guess by the time retirement come around for us the younger generation will be complaining about our view points and lack of concern for what they want done. It's a never ending cycle.
 
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What I'm saying is the older RVPs are the ones that still have the Union mafia type mentality. The younger ones seem too have a more level head. I'm not ignorant to think we will have an entire NEB that's great, but the more that retire the better it should be.
Our young ones are just as clicky and assholish as the old ones
 

Smitty

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Does NATCA support the dozens of victims of the Waukesha Christmas MAssacre? 🙏 Will they be tweeting and Facebooking about it? Will there be a Tshirt? Will this affect membership? Effect? how many defections? "shutup and eat the insects, peasants. free pizza on monday and free Houston convention swag too!" Oh wait, its postponed again!! tehehe. oh-em-gee. oh-my-chron! throw in a few level 3 cleanings and we will all stay. bahhh-bahhh 🐑🐑 . bRo wHeN iz tHe nExT NCEPT? hOpIngg 4 PHL... fly eaglez fly amirite!


A long December and theres reason to believe
Maybe this year will be better than the last

...because no more due$
 

ncssailor

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Does NATCA support the dozens of victims of the Waukesha Christmas MAssacre? 🙏 Will they be tweeting and Facebooking about it? Will there be a Tshirt? Will this affect membership? Effect? how many defections? "shutup and eat the insects, peasants. free pizza on monday and free Houston convention swag too!" Oh wait, its postponed again!! tehehe. oh-em-gee. oh-my-chron! throw in a few level 3 cleanings and we will all stay. bahhh-bahhh 🐑🐑 . bRo wHeN iz tHe nExT NCEPT? hOpIngg 4 PHL... fly eaglez fly amirite!


A long December and theres reason to believe
Maybe this year will be better than the last

...because no more due$
Got that 1188 filled out too?
To think the current leadership is just an extension of Paul and Trish really is a defining realization that we shouldn’t expect much change for the next few years yet again. Everyone on board for the status quo???
NCEPT, GOFUNDME, contract extension😂 it’s the best thing you’ve ever had and don’t forget it😂
CIP scam.
Previous experience and reinstatements BS, even the agency knows NCEPT is jacked and letting people bypass the ones who stayed in and didn’t roll the dice for a year and rewarding them with direct placement. Wow when will the sheep flee to create change because the ole saying from the bottom up isn’t working. Once I see change I will once again be able to support the Union that is NATCA.
 
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Soham

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Got that 1188 filled out too?
To think the currently leadership is just an extension of Paul and Trish really is a defining realization that we shouldn’t expect much change for the next few years yet again. Everyone on board for the status quo???
NCEPT, GOFUNDME, contract extension😂 it’s the best thing you’ve ever had and don’t forget it😂
CIP scam.
Previous experience and reinstatements BS, even the agency knows NCEPT is jacked and letting people bypass the ones who stayed in and didn’t roll the dice for a year and rewarding them with direct placement. Wow when will the sheep flee to create change because the ole saying from the bottom up isn’t working. Once I see change I will once again be able to support the Union that is NATCA.


Lets be real, even if NATCA changed all the things you just complained about you would still find something new to complain about and not support them.
 

ncssailor

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Lets be real, even if NATCA changed all the things you just complained about you would still find something new to complain about and not support them.
That’s what controllers do best isn’t it?
Feel free to list new policies, MOUs or contract changes that have come from national that have benefited the membership in the last few years.
Leave any Covid related things out for the garbage.
I can think of the one major thing being paid parental leave and that was government wide so not specific to only us so not sure to even count that.
 

Spaceforce

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NATCA VALUES​

Our values guide decisions and behavior. Those include honesty, tenacity, leadership by example, hard work, integrity, loyalty to the profession, open communication, and the collective spirit.

Honesty-union rep lied and covered up big issues
Tenacity-determined to look after themselves and not the collective union members
Leadership by example-dodging as much work as possible, nice
Hard work-or hardly working? I can’t tell sometimes
Integrity-what’s that? See honesty.
Loyalty to the profession-hmm more like loyal to getting paid more.
Open communication-open to listening then talking shit behind your back.
Collective spirit - you are supposed to protect all employees right? Especially dues members? There’s an issue between two dues members? Things will work themselves out. Yeah they didn’t. Then you lied.

1188 already turned in. Unions are supposed to help their members not turn their backs on them.
 

ncssailor

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NATCA VALUES​

Our values guide decisions and behavior. Those include honesty, tenacity, leadership by example, hard work, integrity, loyalty to the profession, open communication, and the collective spirit.

Honesty-union rep lied and covered up big issues
Tenacity-determined to look after themselves and not the collective union members
Leadership by example-dodging as much work as possible, nice
Hard work-or hardly working? I can’t tell sometimes
Integrity-what’s that? See honesty.
Loyalty to the profession-hmm more like loyal to getting paid more.
Open communication-open to listening then talking shit behind your back.
Collective spirit - you are supposed to protect all employees right? Especially dues members? There’s an issue between two dues members? Things will work themselves out. Yeah they didn’t. Then you lied.

1188 already turned in. Unions are supposed to help their members not turn their backs on them.
💯 this. They sure know how to protect their own and not put them in line when they are out of line.
We had our Rep collaborating with the FLM to try and get people on Sick leave letters. Then when he got caught denied and eventually apologized but didn’t come completely clean to everyone or resign. Next= Let’s have a party or make that two and maybe everyone will forget about what went down.
 

Smitty

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...is Paul Rinaldi gonna be crowned assistant-to-the-assistant Chief of Staff in Houston!? I wanna attend the coronation but... o-mi-cron!! reeee!

#NATCA4Eva #Maskup4theMish


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