May (Q3) 2023

[Smoke]

I am a big believer you should have to be a CPC for a year before you can ERR out. I think that would end some of the hate for the system. I was personally affected by a brand new CPC who sniped a CAT 1 release to somewhere they had no business going. If people had to wait a year to bid out, it would give CPCs who have done their time an opportunity to get selected to lower/mid level places they want to go without having to be so desperate to get the only release in years as a result of the guy who just CPC'd and who put in for SCT that happens to be at the top of the list. If we had sensible cap limits on how many people a facility could select per panel (I'd say 5 is a good number), that brand new CPC wouldn't have been selected either. There are certainly ways to get better results out of the ncept program.

I also think all releases should be CAT 1. A year from now is a long time to wait for your new trainee to show up when staffing was bad enough for them to be selected today.

Salty

 

[Bandit117]

Yea. You yield based on seniority. Actually seniority should have more play in NCEPT as well. Seniority has its hands in almost everything we do in our union and this agency.

Under PATCO, errs went on a seniority basis

 

[HurryUpandWait]

Yea. You yield based on seniority. Actually seniority should have more play in NCEPT as well. Seniority has its hands in almost everything we do in our union and this agency.

Seniority nets more hours of leave, first pick at RDO, first pick at leave, and now you think they should get first pick to ERR? Haha

 

[twn]

Seniority nets more hours of leave, first pick at RDO, first pick at leave, and now you think they should get first pick to ERR? Haha

Everything else in this job revolves around seniority, why not?

I think first one in first one out should be a thing as far as transferring goes

 

[Pendingleave]

Seniority nets more hours of leave, first pick at RDO, first pick at leave, and now you think they should get first pick to ERR?

Seniority nets more hours of leave, first pick at RDO, first pick at leave, and now you think they should get first pick to ERR? Haha

Look how sweet your life will be once you get stuck at your current facility as you see a revolving door of fresh checkouts bid C90, PHL and the top of the priority list.

 

[HurryUpandWait]

Everything else in this job revolves around seniority, why not?

I think first one in first one out should be a thing as far as transferring goes

Yeah if you want CPC movement to come as close to a stop as possible. It’s already hard enough to have the timing right of your facility above the TWO percentages and the facility you want being able to pick up, AND THEN you have to be ranked high and picked.

So if all of those play out in your favor you would miss it because it is the most senior cpc turn.

Ridiculous

 

[twn]

Yeah if you want CPC movement to come as close to a stop as possible. It’s already hard enough to have the timing right of your facility above the TWO percentages and the facility you want being able to pick up, AND THEN you have to be ranked high and picked.

So if all of those play out in your favor you would miss it because it is the most senior cpc turn.

Ridiculous

Idk about you but only 134 controllers across the nas are able to move right now, that seems like it's pretty much at a stop to me.

 

[HurryUpandWait]

Idk about you but only 134 controllers across the nas are able to move right now, that seems like it's pretty much at a stop to me.

Fair point but let’s not make it worse!

 

[tohow]

Is it known how "priority consideration" will work in conjunction with the new rules? Say a facility is picking their one selection and there is someone requesting them with priority (and also eligible to leave), is that person guaranteed the spot?

 

[AJ12]

Is it known how "priority consideration" will work in conjunction with the new rules? Say a facility is picking their one selection and there is someone requesting them with priority (and also eligible to leave), is that person guaranteed the spot?

My Fac rep just told me this is only used if you were passed up in a prior NCEPT in which you should have been picked up. But the wording is so damn vague in the article.

 

[Move78]

My Fac rep just told me this is only used if you were passed up in a prior NCEPT in which you should have been picked up. But the wording is so damn vague in the article.

It’s used if you were improperly excluded from consideration. It’s also used if you file a valid A60 or A4

 

[Litechop69]

So you're telling me only 134 people across the nas are eligible to move this ncept?

where can you find this number?

 

[Electricfence]

Seniority nets more hours of leave, first pick at RDO, first pick at leave, and now you think they should get first pick to ERR? Haha

I agree with your overall point, but seniority has nothing to do with how much leave you accrue. Time served for the feds does. That’s completely different.

 

[HappyController]

I agree with your overall point, but seniority has nothing to do with how much leave you accrue. Time served for the feds does. That’s completely different.

If anything it should be seniority from CPC date at current facility. That way you can have seniority if you’ve been checked out the longest but not in the agency the longest. Also “rewards” you if you checked out before someone else who got there before you.

 

[32andBelow]

If anything it should be seniority from CPC date at current facility. That way you can have seniority if you’ve been checked out the longest but not in the agency the longest. Also “rewards” you if you checked out before someone else who got there before you.

Nothing like a never certified 5 year trainee hard-shipper jumping you in seniority

 

[Phanatical]

Nothing like a never certified 5 year trainee hard-shipper jumping you in seniority

AUS, is that you?

 

[32andBelow]

AUS, is that you?

It’s like anyone who successfully hardships out of ZNY

 

[doodii]

My Fac rep just told me this is only used if you were passed up in a prior NCEPT in which you should have been picked up. But the wording is so damn vague in the article.

The CBA is written to be vague so they can interpret it how they want to benefit them.

 

[Papacharlie327]

Seniority nets more hours of leave, first pick at RDO, first pick at leave, and now you think they should get first pick to ERR? Haha

They force us out at 56. Why does the guy with three years in go before the one with 10 years in as cpc. Obviously you can’t be a facility slut and bounce from place to place.

 

[Cmsgthokage]

They force us out at 56. Why does the guy with three years in go before the one with 10 years in as cpc. Obviously you can’t be a facility slut and bounce from place to place.

Maybe the 3 year employee bid a place that is critically staffed and the 10 year guy bid one not as badly staffed or is fat staffed? A 3 year guy vs a 10 year guy bidding to the same facility and the 3 year guy getting picked up over the other would be shitty* though.