May (Q3) 2023

[Phanatical]

I think the rules actually worked pretty well. 123 selections for 134 possible losses (~91%). I know some facilities that were able to pick up hadn’t been able to for years even though they were eligible. I get that big facilities didn’t get as many people, but this gives mid level facilities the chance to bring their numbers up and then get people into the big facilities where they’ll probably be more successful than a 4-6 ERR.

 

[100pctwet]

I think the rules actually worked pretty well. 123 selections for 134 possible losses (~91%). I know some facilities that were able to pick up hadn’t been able to for years even though they were eligible. I get that big facilities didn’t get as many people, but this gives mid level facilities the chance to bring their numbers up and then get people into the big facilities where they’ll probably be more successful than a 4-6 ERR.

Get out of here with your logic. Outrage only.

 

[GulfBravoPapa]

ARB to SCT will be a bit of a change 🤣 best of luck.

 

[Phanatical]

How tf did SEA get 3 😂

This puts them at about ~100% now.

 

[ATC Zero]

You guys can't have it both ways. You can't complain about how shitty staffing is and then think these rules were a good idea. The math just doesn't math. If you have a staffing target of 100+, it is impossible to staff it with 1 body per quarter. 4 bodies per year and you're looking at 25 years to get 100 CPC's assuming every one gets to CPC, no one quits, no one bids a supe job, and no one retires. Maybe I'm the dumb one though. So please, go ahead and break it down for me how NCT is going to get to 161 CPCs taking 1 ERR every 3 months. But hey, at least the guy from SAV was able to get back home to Cedar Rapids, Iowa.

The guy from SAV should have 💯 had that opportunity. Not everyone wants to go chase money and shouldn’t be stuck in a low level place just because they want to transfer to a low level facility. We don’t train everyday to only allow transfers to the big facilities. Be interesting to see how many ERR’s all the big facilities even have of people wanting to go there.

 

[Acquired Taste]

I think the rules actually worked pretty well. 123 selections for 134 possible losses (~91%). I know some facilities that were able to pick up hadn’t been able to for years even though they were eligible. I get that big facilities didn’t get as many people, but this gives mid level facilities the chance to bring their numbers up and then get people into the big facilities where they’ll probably be more successful than a 4-6 ERR.

***123 selections out of an actual possible 124 losses***
Once again, I'm not saying that they shouldn't get anyone. But if EWR needs 6 bodies and they ranks them all and AVP is ranked number 1 and get selected and number 2 is ELM but the rules pass over the ELM guy and let ROC take him, and he's not there to be selected after every other small facility has a chance to select, it's not a good set of rules.

If the goal is maximum movement, these rules accomplished that. But you can still accomplish that while also trying to get people off 6 day work weeks.

Be interesting to see how many ERR’s all the big facilities even have of people wanting to go there.

You don't have to wait to see. The ERR demand sheet lays it all out for you.

 

[EliasJr]

Got picked up category 2. Is it at my ATM’s discretion to give me a sooner release?

 

[Phanatical]

Got picked up category 2. Is it at my ATM’s discretion to give me a sooner release?

Yes.

 

[WavesAndClouds]

Another Ncept another two people released from our facility. NCEPT works just fine down here.

 

[Electricfence]

You guys can't have it both ways. You can't complain about how shitty staffing is and then think these rules were a good idea. The math just doesn't math. If you have a staffing target of 100+, it is impossible to staff it with 1 body per quarter. 4 bodies per year and you're looking at 25 years to get 100 CPC's assuming every one gets to CPC, no one quits, no one bids a supe job, and no one retires. Maybe I'm the dumb one though. So please, go ahead and break it down for me how NCT is going to get to 161 CPCs taking 1 ERR every 3 months. But hey, at least the guy from SAV was able to get back home to Cedar Rapids, Iowa.

How many of the facilities with a 100+ number DO NOT receive from the academy? Ncept isn’t the only way those facilities receive people. Try again

 

[ATC123]

***123 selections out of an actual possible 124 losses***
Once again, I'm not saying that they shouldn't get anyone. But if EWR needs 6 bodies and they ranks them all and AVP is ranked number 1 and get selected and number 2 is ELM but the rules pass over the ELM guy and let ROC take him, and he's not there to be selected after every other small facility has a chance to select, it's not a good set of rules.

If the goal is maximum movement, these rules accomplished that. But you can still accomplish that while also trying to get people off 6 day work weeks.

You don't have to wait to see. The ERR demand sheet lays it all out for you.

***121 selections.***

 

[Phanatical]

***123 selections out of an actual possible 124 losses***
Once again, I'm not saying that they shouldn't get anyone. But if EWR needs 6 bodies and they ranks them all and AVP is ranked number 1 and get selected and number 2 is ELM but the rules pass over the ELM guy and let ROC take him, and he's not there to be selected after every other small facility has a chance to select, it's not a good set of rules.

If the goal is maximum movement, these rules accomplished that. But you can still accomplish that while also trying to get people off 6 day work weeks.

You don't have to wait to see. The ERR demand sheet lays it all out for you.

It was 134 losses but okay. What rules do you want since you are the NCEPT soothsayer?

***121 selections.***

Nope.

 

[doodii]

Yoooo that person's last name is Shakespeare. Fucking baller.

 

[ATC123]

Nope.

What nope? There were 121 selections made on this panel.

A124 is a separate set of rules that happens to be handled concurrently with NCEPT, but those weren't ERR *selections* from green facilities.

 

[Move78]

I think the rules actually worked pretty well. 123 selections for 134 possible losses (~91%). I know some facilities that were able to pick up hadn’t been able to for years even though they were eligible. I get that big facilities didn’t get as many people, but this gives mid level facilities the chance to bring their numbers up and then get people into the big facilities where they’ll probably be more successful than a 4-6 ERR.

It was actually 121 moves out of 124 losses cuz 2 were A124 out of red buildings and the remainder of possible losses were from places that had no outbound requests.

 

[Respected Path]

I don't post a lot here but I'm going to make my peace now and be done with it. Same city, lateral or similar facility level transfers are bullshit. ZHU to IAH, get wrecked. Those facilities are like 3 miles apart. You aren't "moving closer to home". All thats happening is all the training at one facility being negated while someone chills down the road for a few years in a training status with little or no responsibilities. Same pay and everything. I don't have any skin in the game as I'm content where I am and have no desire to move to TX but for whoever didn't get IAH because of that malarkey, I feel for you.

Edit: I was eye rolling so hard I mixed up the facilities. There is no ZHU-IAH tranfer. The I90-IAH is the one I was thinking of.

 

[hpwjuicebox]

6 total releases from centers. 4 from Houston, 1 from Cleveland and Fort Worth.

What percentage of controllers are at centers? 50-60%? And yet they have 5% of the releases.

 

[Move78]

I don't post a lot here but I'm going to make my peace now and be done with it. Same city, lateral or similar facility level transfers are bullshit. ZHU to IAH, get wrecked. Those facilities are like 3 miles apart. You aren't "moving closer to home". All thats happening is all the training at one facility being negated while someone chills down the road for a few years in a training status with little or no responsibilities. Same pay and everything. I don't have any skin in the game as I'm content where I am and have no desire to move to TX but for whoever didn't get IAH because of that malarkey, I feel for you.

Moving closer to home is not relevant anyone is allowed to request to ERR for any reason

 

[FightingIrish2012]

6 total releases from centers. 4 from Houston, 1 from Cleveland and Fort Worth.

What percentage of controllers are at centers? 50-60%? And yet they have 5% of the releases.

They make so much at the centers though they are all happy and basically none of them want to move.

 

[Move78]

6 total releases from centers. 4 from Houston, 1 from Cleveland and Fort Worth.

What percentage of controllers are at centers? 50-60%? And yet they have 5% of the releases.

You’d have to look at ‘requests to leave’ not total staffing. All center controllers get paid top dollar and most don’t want to move.
Also 10 total. But 2 are A124