May (Q3) 2024

[DADDYSbabyBIRD]

I was thinking the same thing. Good to see some decent Center movement on this panel.

Agree

 

[Bobson Dugnutt]

I was thinking the same thing. Good to see some decent Center movement on this panel.

Even though places like ZOB and ZHU need to add more than 60 people combined according to CRWG, they still released somewhere around 20 people combined. Make it make sense.

 

[mattey22]

I don’t think the process was very thorough. I think each number was just created locally who knows how. Many times possibly like the night before it was due. I also don’t think people realize how quickly you go from understaffed fo overstaffed. Being 2-3 over numbers quickly turns into splitting dead sectors cus everyone is sitting around. If we went to full CRWG we’d be 5-6 over numbers a lot of days.

If I remember correctly, natca rep sat with atm and they looked at traffic on a specific day. I think it was like the 27th or 29th busiest day of the year. They then went into each area and looked at the traffic numbers during the busiest part of the day by sector and said we need “X” bodies to staff this area with “X” positions open and “X” d-sides, etc. They then correlated it to area staffing and then total center staffing. So then some Centers went up and others went down. Again this was just my Z but I would be surprised if it was done much different at other Zs, tower and approach I don’t know.

 

[Move78]

If I remember correctly, natca rep sat with atm and they looked at traffic on a specific day. I think it was like the 27th or 29th busiest day of the year. They then went into each area and looked at the traffic numbers during the busiest part of the day by sector and said we need “X” bodies to staff this area with “X” positions open and “X” d-sides, etc. They then correlated it to area staffing and then total center staffing. So then some Centers went up and others went down. Again this was just my Z but I would be surprised if it was done much different at other Zs, tower and approach I don’t know.

It was done the same everywhere. They just collaborated on what positions would be open when. The rest was done by NATCA National and HQ

 

[ChuckNovember]

Work ground separate from local, work clearance separate from ground, standalone CIC, heck they can always create a local assist position. Don't worry about that!

In seriousness though, I wonder if the variance across facilities comes from misinterpreting or deliberately fudging the process. Some facilities made their new numbers taking into account having people off the boards for recurrent or whatever, and some didn't, maybe? Who knows.

I was part of the process at my facility and “from the hip” would be an understatement.

 

[tehnecro]

I was thinking the same thing. Good to see some decent Center movement on this panel.

Like 4 centers were able to release other than the guys that got priority released out..... It's not decent movement that's got travesty. Imagine if 15% of towers got to release people... Y'all would be screaming bloody murder. #centerprisonlife

 

[bton]

Like 4 centers were able to release other than the guys that got priority released out..... It's not decent movement that's got travesty. Imagine if 15% of towers got to release people... Y'all would be screaming bloody murder. #centerprisonlife

Sorry you have it so bad at your 10+ facility to ask "How's the ride."

 

[CaptainObvious]

Sorry you have it so bad at your 10+ facility to ask "How's the ride."

Someone obviously doesn’t know what a center does

 

[ChuckNovember]

Sorry you have it so bad at your 10+ facility to ask "How's the ride."

Come train! Clearly Zs are severely understaffed. How hard could it be?

 

[bton]

Someone obviously doesn’t know what a center does

Sure, look at the computer to the right to tell you if the planes are separated.

 

[Nothanks]

Sure, look at the computer to the right to tell you if the planes are separated.

Go walk into ZJX and say that🤣

 

[GroundClutter]

Sure, look at the computer to the right to tell you if the planes are separated.

Sometimes it's on the left.

 

[ManBearPig]

Like 4 centers were able to release other than the guys that got priority released out..... It's not decent movement that's got travesty. Imagine if 15% of towers got to release people... Y'all would be screaming bloody murder. #centerprisonlife

ZOB
ZDV
ZHU
ZFW
ZBW
ZMP
ZAN
ZAU
It appears 36.36363636% of centers released outside of MOUs on this panel.

 

[32andBelow]

Y’all mastered your 4 different headings in your 30 miles of airspace congrats

 

[Nothanks]

Y’all mastered your 4 different headings in your 30 miles of airspace congrats

So salty lol

 

[32andBelow]

So salty lol

what y’all can’t handle a casual return burn?

 

[Phanatical]

It appears 36.36363636% of centers

Repeating, of course.

 

[HurryUpandWait]

Go walk into ZJX and say that🤣

How come Academy grads can go straight to centers but they can’t go straight to 12 tracons and towers? 🤔

 

[32andBelow]

How come Academy grads can go straight to centers but they can’t go straight to 12 tracons and towers? 🤔

Because y’all have stupid made up rules. I’ve been trying to wonder why y’all are ok with it. We wash out a lot at the center.

 

[HurryUpandWait]

Because y’all have stupid made up rules. I’ve been trying to wonder why y’all are ok with it. We wash out a lot at the center.

Lmao