Damn, why is 8 this magical cutoff? Why isn't there a Tracon/tower ops cutoff number for the facility transferring to. I know damn well our level 2 tower is not what is keeping us a 7.
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Damn, why is 8 this magical cutoff? Why isn't there a Tracon/tower ops cutoff number for the facility transferring to. I know damn well our level 2 tower is not what is keeping us a 7.
breakaway2000
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Are you saying they will be added to the C90/N90 bid or that they will still be included in the NCEPT but will only be able to select 8 or above CPCs?
corn4ahead
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You must be at SBN. Lol
Stinger
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My money is on MDT.
Haha nope got a national gaurd buddy from there though. I'm at MDT.
Haha damn nailed it
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Man that's a bunch of shit. You would think they would take whatever they can get to improve staffing. With the exception of a few facilities out there, most have probably seen new hires make lol. Some experience is better than a new hire.
With this new system you never know when the inbounds are going to dry up. A Co worker turned down ATL and they haven't selected another since lol. I'm not saying they won't be able to soon, but these numbers change every month for some obscure rule or another. Better to have another willing body in the pipeline imo.
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Because the success rate for level 8 and lower transfers is less than 24% versus over 64% for 9s and higher. There are quite a few level 8 ERRs in so that's why it is lower than a level 9 only priority release.
I understand, but being an 8 for an up/down can be convoluted with tower ops.
SG did really well down there, although we were an "8" at that time he was picked up.
I'm sure others can say the same, but we have had one failure out of countless that transferred to 10+.
This is why I would think Tracon ops should be more important.
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Level 8s and above will be selected, on the quarterly NCEPT selections, with priority releases regardless of someone's facility staffing levels. If you're not at a level 8 or higher, your facility will have to be CAT 1 or CAT 2 to be released to A80 or LAX.
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I picked random facilities...
MDT (level 7)- 143K ops
CHS (level
- 155K ops (8% more ops than MDT)SAT (level 9)- 318K ops (223% more ops than MDT)
Big difference even by a small facility level jump...
It's funny, I tried to get to LAX for nearly 4 years from a level 8 under the old system. I kept an ERR updated, applied for every bid they put out even though they had a requirement for 9 and higher. They finally wanted me after I was selected somewhere else.
They would gladly take someone from GFK and pay them move money to get to LAX but since I was at an 8 that was mainly IFR airline traffic I wasn't good enough.
They would gladly take someone from GFK and pay them move money to get to LAX but since I was at an 8 that was mainly IFR airline traffic I wasn't good enough.
I picked random facilities...
MDT (level 7)- 143K ops
CHS (level
SAT (level 9)- 318K ops (223% more ops than MDT)
Big difference even by a small facility level jump...
Wait you just confirmed my thoughts. CHS level with only 12k more could get the special release to A80...
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It's great when your primary airport and the namesake of your facility isn't even the busiest airport in the airspace.
These last minute rules and amendments are getting ridiculous...
"If you're from an odd numbered facility level, and your birthday was before the Challenger explosion but after Michael Jackson released Thriller, and you had a previous ERR in to XXX facility, but not a current ERR to XXX facility, your expired ERR is automatically regenerated and you will be given priority released so long as the losing facility operates at least one set of parallel runways...
"If you're from an odd numbered facility level, and your birthday was before the Challenger explosion but after Michael Jackson released Thriller, and you had a previous ERR in to XXX facility, but not a current ERR to XXX facility, your expired ERR is automatically regenerated and you will be given priority released so long as the losing facility operates at least one set of parallel runways...
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It's great when your primary airport and the namesake of your facility isn't even the busiest airport in the airspace.
Lol! Same with my facility.
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You are at AZO right?
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I had a previous facility like that....and if the FAA had let them use the military airport as the primary airport instead of the international airport, we'd have been a level higher.It's great when your primary airport and the namesake of your facility isn't even the busiest airport in the airspace.
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I was being sarcastic...i'm pretty sure SBN is the busiest, but we have a satellite that has 3 flight schools that would be a contender.
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but...A80 only did 1.2 million ops last year.I picked random facilities...
MDT (level 7)- 143K ops
CHS (level
SAT (level 9)- 318K ops (223% more ops than MDT)
Big difference even by a small facility level jump...
Wow... that's wild, so it's basically the equivalent of a quarterly MPP bid with an unpaid move. That will definitely solve your staffing crisis in time. It also removes two facilities from the list of 'guaranteed' selections. As it stands only ZNY is left in that category. The 'certify and litter the top 10 and get picked up' days are over for good.
