69 offers, this is hysterical to me. When will they realize this process is terrible!I was in your boat for a while, holding out for DEN. There is always a chance with this new system. If you recall the last round when they got 5 selections the staffing list NCEPT put out said eligible to select 3. So they picked up two extra people. And they selected 2 people from level 6 VFR towers, bypassing many, many more qualified people. Now I have put paperwork into a variety of places.
Side note, the selection list is not up yet, but they have the numbers listed
Offers: 69
Cat 1: 31
Cat 2: 38
69 offers, this is hysterical to me. When will they realize this process is terrible!
Best way to describe it is 361 days a year, 100% of controllers can't ERR, then 4 days of the year over 99% of controllers can't ERR. NATCA can pull the escape clause at any moment and get rid of it, yet they continue to support it.69 offers, this is hysterical to me. When will they realize this process is terrible!
Side note, the selection list is not up yet, but they have the numbers listed
Offers: 69
Cat 1: 31
Cat 2: 38.
You like the fact that you can only be looked at once a quarter instead of continuously? And that all your ERRs cancel each other out?I like the new process, as far as meeting quarterly, having a priority list (that needs a lot of help and should not change after we have paperwork in, as people use that to decide where to apply) etc. What I don't like is the staffing requirements and how they get their numbers. I believe it has a lot of potential.
You like the fact that you can only be looked at once a quarter instead of continuously? And that all your ERRs cancel each other out?
Referring to previously let's say you had 5 ERRs out, each facility would pick up at different times so essentially each one of your ERRs had the potential to be looked at throughout the year and you had more opportunity for advancement. There's no doubt multiple ERRs acceptances was a big issue but that was a really, really easy fix.Are you referring to having your other TOLs cancelled once you accept one? I think that is one of the better things to come out of this MOU as it was one of the biggest problems with the old system. People were accepting multiple offers, and multiple facilities would be holding a spot for one particular person only to find out they ended up going somewhere else. If you are referring to something else then disregard.
You like the fact that you can only be looked at once a quarter instead of continuously? And that all your ERRs cancel each other out?
Referring to previously let's say you had 5 ERRs out, each facility would pick up at different times so essentially each one of your ERRs had the potential to be looked at throughout the year and you had more opportunity for advancement. There's no doubt multiple ERRs acceptances was a big issue but that was a really, really easy fix.
Was referring to continuous as each facility could pull a list at any time (with approval), any time you showed up to work could be the day you get a call. I phrased it poorly with the word 'continuous'.I have no issues with quarterly. And it wasn't continuously before, facilities had to request permission to pull an ERR list and was still subject to staffing considerations as to how many they could select.
Here's my main issue. Lets say they even imposed the staffing restrictions of the NCEPT and the acceptance of only one ERR (which I believe everyone supports) with the old system. EX. Controller A has 10 ERR's in. Controller B has 1 ERR in. If each facility (with approval) could pull ERR's when they needed them, Controller A would have a greater statistical chance of at least being looked at. If not selected, fine, at least they had an opportunity to be looked at. Now given the arbitrary nature of the facility priority list which isn't remotely close to an actually representation of which facilities truly need people, if Controller B's one facility jumps near the top, odds are that facility needs more people then eligible ERR's and Controller A is never looked at. Full disclosure, I could probably win an award for worst NCEPT story, I'll PM you.Each of your ERRs now are looked at as long as you can be released. So you still have the opportunity to go to any of those five if they are allowed selections. No change there. You just do not get to receive five offers now and get to be choosy. I will admit that would be preferable, but it also ties up the selection proces for a longer period.
Theoretically because of this people will no longer throw out fifty ERRs (though some people are special). This should reduce your competition and increase your chances I would think.