August (Q4) 2024

[Jayyy Jayyy]

Left that part out, I agree. And there needs to be ramifications for TOL declinations! There already kind of is, but my NCEPT rep is not super clear about how that takes place.

Of course there should be, but there’s not.

They’ll tell you they track declinations and they try to flag system abusers. Basically saying they have some level of discretion they can apply, but if that’s the case they failed miserably on this past panel.

Imagine explaining our transfer process to an outsider. Imagine explaining that someone that’s 0/2 on ERR attempts (including a declination) and ranked dead last on Manager Rankings gets to go over someone next out, ranked #1 to their desired facility, and seeking the first move on their career.

It’s incomprehensible and obviously unfair, but hey, that’s NCEPT for ya.

Bottom line: common sense is not applied in any way, shape or form throughout this process. Set your expectations accordingly.

 

[Move78]

You still have to be able to release for A124.

No you don’t

And as more and more hit that timeframe it’s no longer an advantage.

 

[CaptainObvious]

No you don’t

Good to know. Second piece of my statement raises additional questions. With multiple A124, and as more people are stuck and more get that status who determines who leaves?

 

[Nothanks]

Good to know. Second piece of my statement raises additional questions. With multiple A124, and as more people are stuck and more get that status who determines who leaves?

Not many people that have 18+ years in the agency at a level 10+ want to move at that point.

 

[Move78]

Good to know. Second piece of my statement raises additional questions. With multiple A124, and as more people are stuck and more get that status who determines who leaves?

They can all leave. For 124 you need 15 years facility certified at 10-12 (current facility staffing not relevant) and you can go anywhere that’s under 100 projected, ingrade/downgrade.

 

[CaptainObvious]

They can all leave. For 124 you need 15 years facility certified at 10-12 (current facility staffing not relevant) and you can go anywhere that’s under 100 projected, ingrade/downgrade.

Yikes. So unless movement frees up now, as it would if we used national average instead of 85%, we could potentially have a large number of selections all at once just bounce NAS wide

Not many people that have 18+ years in the agency at a level 10+ want to move at that point.

You’d be surprised. The discontent inside the facility has been boiling

 

[Nothanks]

You’d be surprised. The discontent inside the facility has been boiling

Well then they get to leave. In order of senority and release dates. Not a big deal


Your question about who leaves first is addressed in art124. Did you even read it ?🤦🏼‍♂️

 

[CaptainObvious]

Well then they get to leave. In order of senority and release dates. Not a big deal


Your question about who leaves first is addressed in art124. Did you even read it ?🤦🏼‍♂️

No I thought I’d ask here instead of digging out the contract. I’ve got a few years so I don’t necessarily care

 

[EastCoastToast]

Welcome to the real world when it's all about networking. I knew someone that was mad he got passed over multiple times. Come to find out he never once toured or contacted anyone at the facility. He was just a name that no one knew. He finally toured the facility after someone said something and he got picked up the next bid.

Debunked: Plenty of people in low lvl facilities that are overstaffed get picked up without ever touring. The trend right now is selecting controllers based on low seniority as well, so if you’re at a lvl 7 up/down and taking 5+ years to finally transfer out, you bet a lvl 4-6 tower only controller with 1-3 years in will get picked up over ya. The real Reality is that less experienced controllers will get picked up. #ChurnAndBurn #RinseWashRepeat #LowLevelLifeMatters #8lvljump #GoBigOrGoBackToSquareOne

 

[Dynamic_Decisions]

You forgot
#GoBigOrNestToTheFacilityYouActullyWant

 

[CoffeeIV]

Debunked: Plenty of people in low lvl facilities that are overstaffed get picked up without ever touring. The trend right now is selecting controllers based on low seniority as well, so if you’re at a lvl 7 up/down and taking 5+ years to finally transfer out, you bet a lvl 4-6 tower only controller with 1-3 years in will get picked up over ya. The real Reality is that less experienced controllers will get picked up. #ChurnAndBurn #RinseWashRepeat #LowLevelLifeMatters #8lvljump #GoBigOrGoBackToSquareOne

Those vfr towers get picked up because they check out in under 6 months and their facilities can release every panel.

 

[Eve]

Those vfr towers get picked up because they check out in under 6 months and their facilities can release every panel.

I think if 10-12s can pick up someone with less than a year experience on the agency they should be able to pick up from the prior experience list. It's essentially the same thing. Why limit them to 7 and below? Hell, same with academy grads. Because in the long run they don't do anything for the smaller facilities except make us train them so they can leave right away.

 

[Nothanks]

I think if 10-12s can pick up someone with less than a year experience on the agency they should be able to pick up from the prior experience list. It's essentially the same thing. Why limit them to 7 and below? Hell, same with academy grads. Because in the long run they don't do anything for the smaller facilities except make us train them so they can leave right away.

Agency isn’t going to create a loophole for you to quit and get rehired at a higher level. Why would they open themselves up to that?

 

[HurryUpandWait]

I think if 10-12s can pick up someone with less than a year experience on the agency they should be able to pick up from the prior experience list. It's essentially the same thing. Why limit them to 7 and below? Hell, same with academy grads. Because in the long run they don't do anything for the smaller facilities except make us train them so they can leave right away.

They used to do that and the success rate was abysmal

 

[BDUB]

Agency isn’t going to create a loophole for you to quit and get rehired at a higher level. Why would they open themselves up to that?

If someone is not content with where they are and they’re going to quit regardless…if they can’t get a job in the city they want to be in because the lvl facility they came from is too low then they will just find another job and the faa loses a already certified controller to the system they created

 

[Wizard]

They used to do that and the success rate was abysmal

Did they cut this off right as DEI hires were at their peak? Serious question.

 

[acutetriangles]

I’d imagine for a lot of people, it would be less than seamless to find a comparable paying job that doesn’t require additional school.

 

[BDUB]

I’d imagine for a lot of people, it would be less than seamless to find a comparable paying job that doesn’t require additional school.

New controllers at 7’s and below are making roughly 95k certified. That’s at a 7. 4’s are making 67k. There are soooo many jobs out there that pay that now. And everyone uses the argument well eventually they can make a lot of money but with NCEPT in play why would anyone take that risk of being stuck at a low level facility in todays world.

 

[Pointsixtynine.10]

New controllers at 7’s and below are making roughly 95k certified. That’s at a 7. 4’s are making 67k. There are soooo many jobs out there that pay that now. And everyone uses the argument well eventually they can make a lot of money but with NCEPT in play why would anyone take that risk of being stuck at a low level facility in todays world.

Yes, it’s not until you get to the higher facilities atleast like 9 and up where you start to wonder if you’d be able to make that much money doing anything else. Plus the higher the level usually the better the area as more people are flying there or live there already flying in and out. 7 and below in a shitty place… peace!

 

[Spoony90]

New controllers at 7’s and below are making roughly 95k certified. That’s at a 7. 4’s are making 67k. There are soooo many jobs out there that pay that now. And everyone uses the argument well eventually they can make a lot of money but with NCEPT in play why would anyone take that risk of being stuck at a low level facility in todays world.

Any cyber security job pays more than most 8s and 9s. And work from home schedule. But no federal benes. Still enticing.