Every terminal new hire weather they are previous experience or not starts at a low level. Then do the 4 level transfer cap for terminal. Now it's fair to everyone and mid levels only get FAA experienced controllers. High levels only get people with FAA experience at mid levels. Less room for people to complain using that method
LOL alright man. Sorry you feel that way. I really don't care where the person working next to me came from, doesn't matter if they are cti/vra/ots/subway sandwich artist, at the end of the day it doesn't make a difference. The transfer system is definitely flawed, I wouldn't pin it on a certain group of controllers, that's some non sense.
How is a level cap supporting an obstacle in ones ability to learn?
I think it would be pretty even
Late 90’s to mid 2000’s Navy controller here. Out of the 20-25 buddies of mine, only 2 completely washed. A third washed out of a 12 but certified at a 10. I’m not sure what’s changed in the past 10 years.
I work at a level 6 and of the 4 prior military that we’ve had the last 4 years the only one to wash was navy. ?
I agree with you 100%. My issue, which isn’t popular, is that we should reward current employees over new hires. How many CPCs transferred to APA and BJC and ZDV just to get into DEN? No way a new hire should be sent to DEN with 200 ERRs in.
Preach to the choir, my facility has had 5 previous military hires and let’s just say no one is impressed. One already washed and got sent to a level 6 up/down.
It says earn
I thought it was a typo and you meant learn because saying it prevents being able to earn is ridiculous. A 4 level pay raise is legitimate. I don't see how anyone could argue a 4 level cap is an obstacle preventing them from earning.
Not to mention while blocking the 5-12 move you are enabling both a 5-8 and an 8-12, for example. So two people are getting raises and advancing vs one big raise and one person being leapfrogged.
This is an unfixable disconnect if you think the NATCA member at LEX should be ineligible to train at ZOB but the guy at McDonald’s can.
The 8-10s need to be filled to get them eligible to compete for the 12 they want.
My brain doesn't work? lol, uh sure. Anyway, if you read what I said about a 4 level cap I said it only for terminal. If you wanna go center no level cap. They are built for training "from the ground up" and yes, the guy from "McDonald's" can got there as their 1st facility for that reason.
Why would 8-10 have any issues? People from 4-7 can then go to 8s, people from 5-8 can go to 9s and people from 6-9 can go to 10s. It's not that complicated. This is actually how it used to be. And people who wanted to skip that process put in for centers. And guess what, it worked. Now there's a "shocker"
Move78 has always had a hard-on for NCEPT, especially after it worked in their favor. God forbid you bring up opposing ideas towards it.
I mean the current way works. It's just sluggish and not the most efficient. Though the transfer process has never been perfect. There's a reason why the workforce as a whole is more frustrated with the process now than it ever was in the 1990s 2000s and early 2010s. The "good ol boy" system some say it used to be honestly didn't negatively impact the majority of controllers. But this NCEPT process does. NCEPT has actually helped me too. But I'm still realistic enough to know it's not very good. I was around before NCEPT, and have been picked up via ERR before and after NCEPT started. I've also been pricked up via bid. So I understand the difference.
I’m not bringing in to question your knowledge of the process, whether past or present. NCEPT has been and will always be complete shit.
