May (Q3) 2023

[ATC Zero]

Anybody around Houston know if this clown ever got feedback from ORD? Whole buncha cryin then crickets…

They probably didn’t want him, high seniority? He’s making bank anyhow don’t feel sorry for him since he’s moved around a few times already.

 

[HurryUpandWait]

Alright, out of places that even had 15 people they could rank, we have:

Facility​	Ranking of Person selected​
DFW​	1, 4, and 22
PCT	1 and 14
CLT	1 and 21
DEN	1 and 3
DAL	2
IAH	1, 3, 6, and 11
F11	1, 5, and 10
MCO	1 and 5
TPA	Didn't get anyone

So every facility that had a ranking list 15+ long got their first choice at a minimum, except poor DAL and TPA. Fake news confirmed.

The person ranked 21st for CLT

 

[Acquired Taste]

The person ranked 21st for CLT

'Tis the beauty of being at a place where no one else wants to leave. Doesn't matter if the facility you want to go to doesn't want you, they're getting you with this new style of rules.

 

[Dolan]

It's actually an interesting point. The temporary rules for the last 2 panels have taken a huge amount of power away from the ATM ranking list. First step towards getting rid of ATM input entirely

 

[Acquired Taste]

It's actually an interesting point. The temporary rules for the last 2 panels have taken a huge amount of power away from the ATM ranking list. First step towards getting rid of ATM input entirely

It also takes a lot of power away from those trying to get to their desired facility. As you can see, pretty much every facility is getting their number 1 choice. If you only kiss ass hard enough to get ranked number 3 instead of number 1, you're fucked unless you're at a place that no one wants to leave. The ATM having power is only bad if you aren't well liked or don't tour/network at your desired facility.

 

[Dolan]

The ATM having power is only bad if you aren't well liked or don't tour/network at your desired facility.

The ATM having power is bad full stop. Let natca have more say if you're just going to make it a popularity contest anyway. ATMs are some of the most incompetent, bootlicking, corrupt people in the FAA

 

[CaptainObvious]

The ATM having power is bad full stop. Let natca have more say if you're just going to make it a popularity contest anyway. ATMs are some of the most incompetent, bootlicking, corrupt people in the FAA

Neck and neck with the NEB

 

[Move78]

The ATM having power is bad full stop. Let natca have more say if you're just going to make it a popularity contest anyway. ATMs are some of the most incompetent, bootlicking, corrupt people in the FAA

I agree but it’s management rights so most of them aren’t just going to give it up entirely.

It's actually an interesting point. The temporary rules for the last 2 panels have taken a huge amount of power away from the ATM ranking list. First step towards getting rid of ATM input entirely

This makes no sense, the most recent format gives the rankings way more power than before

It also takes a lot of power away from those trying to get to their desired facility. As you can see, pretty much every facility is getting their number 1 choice. If you only kiss ass hard enough to get ranked number 3 instead of number 1, you're fucked unless you're at a place that no one wants to leave. The ATM having power is only bad if you aren't well liked or don't tour/network at your desired facility.

This also makes no sense there’s now more facilities on the receiving end and more people getting to their desired facility.

 

[Mike Kilo]

The ATM having power is bad full stop. Let natca have more say if you're just going to make it a popularity contest anyway. ATMs are some of the most incompetent, bootlicking, corrupt people in the FAA

And Natca blowhards aren’t? 😂. Both ways are bad, but there isn’t a better alternative. I’ve seen FacReps push to get the hot chick from a level 4 picked up to their 12. I’ve seen ATMs hire just as poorly.

 

[Acquired Taste]

This also makes no sense there’s now more facilities on the receiving end and more people getting to their desired facility.

What is your solution to staff A80, NCT, SCT, LAX, MIA etc... with 1 or 2 bodies per quarter? Please don't give me the cop out answer and say that ncept is not meant to staff places because when that is realistically the only means to get to a level 11 or 12 terminal facility, it is the only means they have to staff those facilities.

 

[Soul_Controller]

What is your solution to staff A80, NCT, SCT, LAX, MIA etc... with 1 or 2 bodies per quarter? Please don't give me the cop out answer and say that ncept is not meant to staff places because when that is realistically the only means to get to a level 11 or 12 terminal facility, it is the only means they have to staff those facilities.

ERRs have the least red tape but they still shouldn't be the method of staffing . The workforce helping the agency out with voluntary transfers instead of using bids is what kills incentives like move money, return rights etc.

 

[Move78]

What is your solution to staff A80, NCT, SCT, LAX, MIA etc... with 1 or 2 bodies per quarter? Please don't give me the cop out answer and say that ncept is not meant to staff places because when that is realistically the only means to get to a level 11 or 12 terminal facility, it is the only means they have to staff those facilities.

You can’t. But LAX isn’t in that group. They were just way fat and are only in need now because of the amount of losses they just had. MIAs problem is they can’t certify anyone. A80 and NCT have very low demand. Also they sent A80 a million people with a special MOU and management just saw it as an opportunity to murder them with deviations.
The tracons need more people

 

[Dolan]

This makes no sense, the most recent format gives the rankings way more power than before

Look at the list just a page earlier in this thread. DFW got a 22. PCT got a 14. CLT got a 21. IAH and F11 a 11 and a 10 respectively. That's managers getting people they really do not want shoved down their throats and I love everything about it. Yeah of course facilities are still getting their #1's but thats always been the case - they certainly didn't get any more power with the new rules

 

[Move78]

Look at the list just a page earlier in this thread. DFW got a 22. PCT got a 14. CLT got a 21. IAH and F11 a 11 and a 10 respectively. That's managers getting people they really do not want shoved down their throats and I love everything about it. Yeah of course facilities are still getting their #1's but thats always been the case - they certainly didn't get any more power with the new rules

AFTER they got someone at the top. Literally everyone got higher ranked people. Under the old rules the top 10 got their top guys and if you picked after 30 you either got number last or no one.

 

[Acquired Taste]

You can’t. But LAX isn’t in that group. They were just way fat and are only in need now because of the amount of losses they just had. MIAs problem is they can’t certify anyone. A80 and NCT have very low demand. Also they sent A80 a million people with a special MOU and management just saw it as an opportunity to murder them with deviations.
The tracons need more people

So what's the solution in the mean time because ncept isn't going anywhere and the FAA is still going to suck at hiring new people. A80 has 29 ERRs, with only 2 eligible to release this panel. NCT has 17 on file, only 3 eligible. Even a country club like PCT only has 7 eligible. But with the new rules, A80 and NCT will most likely get 1 and PCT might get 2. So what rules can be made to give these places a chance to get a little staffing so they can try to keep their heads above water in the mean time? LAX is probably not as dire as some other places but regardless of the reason they're short now, it still needs to be addressed in the future.

 

[hpwjuicebox]

MJ updated ATM Ranking List with a new update entry:

May Q2 2023



Read the rest of this update entry...

Someone at POU has made some enemies. Ranked 99th on at least 2 lists. Manager went through the trouble to make sure they knew they didn’t want them.

 

[Phanatical]

Someone at POU has made some enemies. Ranked 99th on at least 2 lists. Manager went through the trouble to make sure they knew they didn’t want them.

Probably the same guy that put in for FAI and then declined it to block the rest of the facility from releasing someone.

 

[RH316]

Probably the same guy that put in for FAI and then declined it to block the rest of the facility from releasing someone.

I think he finally retires this month or next. He is/was a real shitbag.

 

[Flo]

I think he finally retires this month or next. He is/was a real shitbag.

The guy retired a couple of months ago

 

[penaltyvectors]

Looks like a D3 at AVP is ranked #1 at both EWR and TEB, above a bunch of CPCs. Didn't even know they could do that.